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I found this episode an improvement over last weeks. Not that last weeks was bad, it just left me rather 'meh'.

What I enjoyed most about this episode was the character development and character revelation. I think I now understand why the writers chose to backtrack from the pilot, regressing Cameron, not allowing her to quite fit in. Cameron's reason for being is to protect John Conner. She was 'born' into a world at war where the only thing that concerned people was survival. Now she's in this very different world where she still has a primary purpose, but she's also surrounded by people just living their lives, going to work, going to school, hanging out with friends, and dealing with death by very different means. While her programming is working to adapt, she's growing as a person and, if not yet having feelings of her own, she is becoming more attuned to others and trying to understand them better as well as trying to understand herself, something she would never have had the opportunity to do in that other reality. Two scenes I loved - the shot at the convention depicting the evolution of robotics, beginning with the fortuneteller machine and ending with Cameron and later her removing the chip from the terminator's brain, becoming aware of her own mortality.

Poor Andy. :( I really liked him. Though the scene unfortunately led to one of the sloppier moments in the ep - Sarah left her fingerprints all over the room.

Seeing Brian Austin Green getting his ass kicked could never get old. ;)

As soon as Derek mentioned the photo and how he recognized Sarah I had the "Uh Oh" moment. KYLE'S BROTHER??? AND HE DOESN'T KNOW HE'S JOHN'S UNCLE?!?! While this does feel contrived, I also think it's kind of cool. Especially if we get to see him react to the truth of this very complicated situation. Kyle died never knowing the truth.

And Charley is to save Derek's life. And I would think have to be let in on some of what has happened since John and Sarah look exactly the same ten years later. Which probably means he'll die five minutes after being told. Or maybe not since I am still suspicious of the wife.

Speaking of suspicious, Dan the Counselor seems to be trying to cover his ass. I think it's safe to say he was the one having the affair with the dead student and it seems he's moved onto John's lab partner.

ETA: I forgot to post this earlier. As much as I have grown to loathe Ausiello, he does have what would seem to be a pretty accurate listing of TV production schedules post strike. BSG has been added to the list since this afternoon and could be back in production next month. My guess is that it would take most shows three to four weeks to have scripts ready and the actors rounded up.
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I really felt for Andy. He was a genuinely nice guy, and shouldn't have come to that end.

And man, is the counselor ever creepy. I hope he tries to hit on Cameron; the results would be hilarious.

Cameron is the most fascinating character. I'm really enjoying watching her grow and change.
I think the next few months are going to be interesting on the actors who have multiple show commitments - they're going to be running from pillar to post as studios try and get as much tv worked up as quickly as possible.

There's been some chatter on skiffy about BSG getting back into filming as soon as possible so that the sets can be struck as early as possible (something you mentioned) but one thing I've not seen asked is what they're intending to do with the space afterwards - with all these months of no writing, it's presumably going to take a while for new scripts for everything to be produced, whether tv series or films. I'd imagine that during routine time, it's possible to plan out what to film and keep output pretty constant, but is there going to be a huge bow wave of work completed in a rush and then a lull while more is written, or will the networks hire every writer they can to get not just the immediate series requirements met but also enough work to keep the facilities in use for when regular series filming finishes? With no pilot season in February, there aren't the demands in place to rush out and start filming pilots that have been picked up, as would normally start happening...

I'm glad you keep comenting on TSCC - I've been acquiring the episodes to watch, but am waiting until I've got enough to fill a DVD with before doing a massive watch in one session (possibly when I move house and have to go a while without t'internet) and your reviews are reassuring me that the show is worth the HD space. Although, as a fanboy at heart... how does it match the original film for mood?
Anyone who likes the films should definitely check this show out. There's lots to enjoy - especially if you don't mind them messing with the filmverse, introducing new ideas; and also if you aren't necessarily in need of an Arnold-like figure helping John. Those are the big differences. The overall tone and big ideas (apocalypse, constant pursuit, technology paranoia) are all there, in spades.

I'll be interested to hear what you think...

Edited at 2008-02-12 02:27 pm (UTC)
I think the next few months are going to be interesting on the actors who have multiple show commitments - they're going to be running from pillar to post as studios try and get as much tv worked up as quickly as possible.

Well, Katee doesn't have to worry about that any longer. ;)

The TV show and films I would say are similar in tone and mood. I'm pleasantly surprised that the series is so action heavy. The chase sequences aren't quite as elaborate, but sufficient enough to be reminiscent of the films. As for the characters, this John is less annoying than the John in T2 (not a fan of Edward Furlong), not quite as mature, understandably, as the John in T3 (and I am a fan on Nick Stahl). Lena Headey's Sarah is not as paranoid, tough or emotionally distant as Linda Hamilton's Sarah. I don't think that characterization would work well on a weekly series, you need to warm up to the characters. Plus, two years have passed, she's gotten to spend that time with her son, and I think you can accept that she saw that in order to be a good mother, not just a good fighter, she had to make some changes. Overall, the series might not be quite as dark, but there is a constant sense of unease because they know the future is still changing and what they fear most could still happen.
You seem to be the only one on my flist who is discussing/reviewing TSCC. I'm enjoying it a lot. At first it was just because of Summer Glau, but now I'm getting hooked into the differences here from the films, the similarities, and the incredibly complex timetable they are setting up.

One fun thing about Terminatorverse on TV is that they actually have a lot of TIME to set up even more intricate time webs. I think the showrunner Josh Friedman is a big brain, and if the show survives we'll have plenty to look forward to. I'm a tad nervous that it's still being listed as "TBD" everywhere, but it's early. The strike isnn't even officially over yet.

The plot points that fascinate me especially are, as you say, Cameron's development (and the obviousness that she is somehow 'different' from the other terminators). The tension between tough Sarah trying to coddle John, and John growing out of that and trying to fend for himself and become a man. I didn't see T3...did Nick Stahl as John do any of that? In T2 he was always under someone's protection. Also, this idea that adult future John sent teams of humans back to do things; that there can be terminators present who are NOT in the past to get John and have other missions, etc.

Not bad!

/rant over
Oh one more thing: yeah I'm with you guys, that guidance counselor is BAAAAAAD. Fer sure.
now I'm getting hooked into the differences here from the films, the similarities, and the incredibly complex timetable they are setting up.

Me too! I was just thinking more about the timeline last night after I posted. Derek seems to think terminator = evil, period. It would seem he's oblivious to John's reprogramming of the various terminator models and sending them back through time to help protect Young John. Which would mean that he would have been sent back in time before Terminator Arnie or Terminator Cameron, yet he actually arrived in the past after they did. So how is John choosing to manipulate time? How is he deciding where and when people arrive to help him/help him change the future? It all makes my brain hurt!

I only saw T3 once years ago, but I seem to recall that Nick's John was very much on his own, hoping that they had changed the future, living off the radar, and not doing much at all with his life.
While her programming is working to adapt, she's growing as a person and, if not yet having feelings of her own, she is becoming more attuned to others and trying to understand them better as well as trying to understand herself, something she would never have had the opportunity to do in that other reality.

That's a really interesting observation. She's used to a world run by machines, where her modes of interaction are the standard; now she has to cope with a world dominated by humans, and adapt herself to fit them instead of seeing it happen the other way around. I think that explains some of her earlier pushiness with Sarah, and the fact that she's slowly been backing down from that.
I also think she's probably use to a John Conner who has become immune to death. Now she sees him having trouble dealing with the death of a girl he barely knew. It has to be hard for her to compute.
Really, really interesting thoughts, particularly about Cameron.

As soon as Derek mentioned the photo and how he recognized Sarah I had the "Uh Oh" moment. KYLE'S BROTHER??? AND HE DOESN'T KNOW HE'S JOHN'S UNCLE?!?! While this does feel contrived, I also think it's kind of cool. Especially if we get to see him react to the truth of this very complicated situation. Kyle died never knowing the truth.

Incredibly contrived. Ludicrously so. But I'm not complaining. So, how do you think he'd react if he did find out the truth?

P.S. Any hypotheses on who killed Andy Goode and stole the Turk? Since we've established it wasn't either Derek or Sarah.