Asta 2

The Slippery Slope

You tell yourself, "Never again." I said it after Buffy, Alias, Farscape and even have flirted with the possibility once Battlestar Galactica airs it's last episode. But, this evening, as I'm watching The Sarah Conner Chronicles I found myself taking notes. Yes, folks, once again I am screwed. :/


Wow. We actually saw Kyle. I thought he was going to remain this huge, unseen, presence in their lives. This Kyle seems a wee bit young to me, then again I still remember the actor from when he was a teenager playing Lucky on General Hospital so that may be informing my opinion. Still, I didn't think it was horrible casting. I also have a feeling we won't be seeing much more of him. I thought Derek's final remarks about "saving everyone" were very interesting. If the show were to run for several years, would they write an ending where the future is saved for humanity and those who died, such as Kyle, would be alive? If so, it would be a neat way to bring back a much older Michael Biehn.

I'm not surprised that Cameron doesn't know who John's father is. If she were to be defeated and her memory chip taken that would be dangerous information in the hands of their enemies.

Please tell me I wasn't the only one to not recognize Andy as one of the resistance fighters? So he did have a hand in the formation of Skynet and, inadvertently, caused the horrific future he found himself in. The moment he confessed his culpability I knew Derek had lied and he had been the one to kill him. Normally, I'd be outraged at the thought of an innocent person (and Andy was innocent at the time of his death) being murdered, but Derek had his confession, knew what the future held for them all, and did he have a choice? I don't know.

Considering at least half the episode was devoted to Derek and his backstory I can't imagine Brian Austin Green is going anywhere soon. I have to say this is the best performance I've ever seen him give so I'm OK with that.

Charley not only put things together rather quickly, but he handled it all amazingly well. Applause to the writers for not having him a) think Sarah was crazy as he had been told and b) for not freaking out. It was refreshing to see a character confronted with a completely implausible scenario actually accept it as the truth.

Cameron pocketing the memory chip leads me to believe one of two things. She has another mission that she was instructed by Future John to not tell Present John about. Or it's something personal, at least as personal as a cyborg can get. When she was removing it from the 'brain' in the last episode she had a look that read to me as if she was making a connection and sensing, for lack of a better word, her mortality.

ETA: proggrrl triggered a thought in comments below. In the scene in which Derek returns to the base and finds everyone gone or dead, he opens up a trunk and finds Kyle's photo of Sarah half burned. That is a direct tie in to the first film! There is a scene in which Kyle is either recounting the story of the attack to Sarah or having a nightmare (I can't recall which) and we see the picture get left behind and begin to burn. Man, I love continuity! :)


OK, why does NBC Universal have to continually frak with us? greycoupon posted earlier that The Battlestar Galactica DVD site has deleted Season 3 scenes for viewing if you play some games. Fortunately, someone has kindly posted the scenes HERE on YouTube you can skip the game playing. What I'm pissed about is that these scenes will, apparently, not be on the DVDs. This is the same thing they pulled with the Season 2 DVD's, excluding a bunch of scenes that had been posted to the SciFi site. Sigh.

Btw, my friends to the west and south, if you want to know why I tend to roll my eyes when I hear complaints about snowfall in your parts, Michigan is on course to have over 100 inches of snow this winter. Not a record may I add. :p
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"Or it's something personal, at least as personal as a cyborg can get. "

I didn't sense what you did last week, not really picking up that vibe in the scene, so you made me think about it. I'm not sure. I think after this week, that she wants to make sure she "doesn't go bad" and that chip is her way to do that research.
Hmmm, that's a very interesting thought. I don't think she has a conscience per se, but I do feel she wants to do her duty, fulfill her mission, and make sure John Conner lives. And she's well aware of the memory wipes and, as the one flashback showed us, that, on occasion, reprogrammed cyborgs just go bad without explanation. So, yes, maybe she wants to learn why the bad cyborgs act one way, how the programming works, to ensure that she'ss continue being a good, if very creepy, cyborg.
Of course she could pocket it because the conscious she is developing is that she is killing her own kind and may need to switch sides if these humans continue to be as much of a killing machines as the T88 units are.

I'm fortunate that I missed last week,, bought the ep on itunes watched it from 8-9 (no commercials then saw tonight's ep.

I also did not recognize Andy, but new it was "personal" for Derek.

Still wonder what happened in the basement......
My first guess was that brainwashing was going on in the basement. Maybe the music that was playing is some sort of trigger? Consciously, Derek is very much on their side, but subconsciously? He may yet be made to do things he doesn't want to and will have no knowledge of. I *really* hope John and/or Sarah aren't forced to confront the possibility of having to kill him. On the other hand, Derek is certain that it's Cameron that will betray them and what if it is he instead? That would be an interesting twist to watch play out.
The trick for me on Derek is from the scene they showed at the end, he shot Andy, but did not pickup nor look for the Turk. It was just a plain hit. So unless he has a partner, he was simply fulfilling a Vendetta on his brother's unknown fate.
Hmm, I totally didn't see it as a vendetta. I thought that Andy had gotten him to promise to kill him or something like that. Or Derek realized Andy would rather be dead. I really don't think Derek is harboring a vendetta. As for not resolving the Turk storyline, it's possible that Andy had told him they'd already moved it somewhere else or something. They're obviously leaving what happened to the Turk as a storyline to resolve later.

It's really interesting how differently people are interpreting the show. I thought that the basement was some kind of sleeper agent reprogramming facility and we'll discover Derek is actually bad down the road.
I didn't sense it was a vendetta either. My take was that Derek believed if he killed Andy in the past he could possibly help stop the future as he knew it from happening. I wonder if he'll be the one to tell Sarah that Andy confided in him that there were fifteen of them responsible for Skynet?
I wonder if they have a legitimate reason for not including the extra deleted scenes, or if there really is some executive out there determined to screw with the fanbase :P OK, I can live without seeing Tigh get his eye removed, but I actually liked the Lee and Adama scene where for once they actually looked comfortable together.

I also rather liked the scene with Gaeta and Gaius - given that the storytelling in S3 tended to make the characters rather two dimensional, seeing the two of them sizing each other up like cats in a courtyard and the implication that Baltar might actually have tried to do something useful, whether to raise his own value or not, was actually interesting.

I actually clicked on the cut thinking "Asta plays Dungeons and Dragons?" How much of a geek am I, I wonder...
I have to admit that the deleted scenes, imho, didn't add much to what we did see an I can understand them being cut for time and, well, uselessness. And as cute as it was to see Lee interact with the kids, I got a definite vibe that what we were actually watching was Jamie, father of three, rather than Lee Adama who had a very difficult time relating to one child in 'Black Market'. I skipped the Tigh eye removal scene, from your reaction and the reaction of others, it seems clear to me, without viewing it, why it was cut.

Still, even though these scenes were clearly unnecessary to the overall advancement of the plot, it's just the point that if they exist and you are showing them online why not put them on the DVDs? There were several S2 deleted scenes posted online, but not included on the discs that I felt did add to what we saw in S2 (especially the Lee/Dee deleted scenes that gave me an inkling of what they intended with those two).

I actually clicked on the cut thinking "Asta plays Dungeons and Dragons?" How much of a geek am I, I wonder...

I think it's safe to say we are all geeks, to some extent, here, but I have never played D&D. Actually, I'm not entirely sure how that came to be the name for the ep. :/
You can beat it reasonably consistently if you're logical about it - start in one corner and work in diagonal lines across the board, keeping the lines seperated by on e square less than the length of the smallest ship. I did that for the season 2 deleted scenes, and won about 75% of the time. I'd swear the game cheats though ;)
This was a very interesting ep of TSCC indeed. Food for thought. I was a doofus and didn't realize they'd actualy shown Kyle. Did they? He was TALKED ABOUT so much, but I didn't think they showed him. I too, did not recognize Andy till he spoke up (nice beard). This is a fascinating wrinkle as well, great set up - Andy reveals there was a group of them that made SkyNet, so now they need to hunt down the rest of the group.

As for Glaubot, erm I mean Cameron - for some reason I'm stuck on the fact that she told Sarah that she destroyed all of that T88 except for some piece of its hand that was missing - and then she kept this OTHER part. Scary.

All in all this was a nice ep that made the story more complicated and gave us our first big glimpse of the future.

RE BSG S3 deleted scenes - where did you hear that the scenes on youtube aren't going onto the DVD set? Just curious. (I'm not posting those on Sitrep cuz I know the minute I do that, they'll get yanked.)
Kyle was the one Derek was talking with early on. Derek commented to him about how carrying around the picture of Sarah creeped him out and Kyle said it was his good luck charm. Oh, man, something just dawned on me. The scene in which Derek returns to their base and finds everyone gone or dead - he opens up a trunk and finds the photo half burned. That ties into the first film! Kyle is either recounting the story to Sarah or having a nightmare, I can't recall which, and we see him fleeing the cyborgs, leaving the picture behind, and it beginning to burn. Cool tie in!

I think establishing that there were fifteen who built Skynet is a great idea because one of my concerns was how do you sustain the series? I didn't just want to watch cyborgs chasing them down every month. Now, we see that they have a strong reason to go on the offensive.

RE BSG S3 deleted scenes - where did you hear that the scenes on youtube aren't going onto the DVD set?

It's stated on the DVD website, under the media player. And, yeah, I can understand you being hesitant to post a link on Sitrep. I have to stop and think about how much to post to jamiebambernews, but I don't think it's big enough, yet ;), to worry.
Kyle is either recounting the story to Sarah or having a nightmare, I can't recall which, and we see him fleeing the cyborgs, leaving the picture behind, and it beginning to burn. Cool tie in!

Aha. OK I wasn't paying enough attention obviously...I did find it a bit confusing at first to suss out who all those future warrior dudes were (the ones hanging out with Derek in the flash forward). Did not get that guy was Kyle.

Your write up and stuff over here at TV Squad have made it much clearer. And, as you say - tons of movie references in this ep apparently! It's been like 8 years since I last saw those films so I've forgotten. If this show gets another order I'll do a rewatch, I promise. *wink*
Yeah, I'm with you. I think Cameron keeping the other robot part is scary. She's at least curious about the other side. It seems like a good bit of complexity. Renew us and find out if Cameron goes bad!

I totally don't think she's just keeping the brain to try and understand why sometimes reprogrammed robots go bad. After all that robot was never reprogrammed. It seems more likely that she'd like to keep the possibility of rejoining her robot brethren. Very sinister.
It seems more likely that she'd like to keep the possibility of rejoining her robot brethren. Very sinister.

Word!

What's so clever about this is the mystery...is Cameron going bad/rogue? Or, is it secret programming that AdultJohn wants to hide from everyone including Sarah and YoungJohn? Or, is Cameron's AI developing and her own needs and questions about identity are surfacing through her actions? Or something else entirely?

Love it. Hope it isn't cancelled.
I'm not surprised that Cameron doesn't know who John's father is. If she were to be defeated and her memory chip taken that would be dangerous information in the hands of their enemies.

It seems natural that Sarah would guard that information closely, what with the possibility of time travel and interference with the timeline. I'm actually somewhat surprised that she told Charley.

Please tell me I wasn't the only one to not recognize Andy as one of the resistance fighters? So he did have a hand in the formation of Skynet and, inadvertently, caused the horrific future he found himself in.

His face looked significantly different with the beard; without it, it would have been hard to buy the same actor portraying a much older Andy.

I've been pleasantly surprised by Brian Austin Green's performance.
I'm actually somewhat surprised that she told Charley.

Well, she didn't so much tell Charley as confirm his assumption that Kyle was John's father. I suppose she could have lied, but Charley would have known it was a lie. Still, it's a dangerous piece of information for him to have if he should be captured, tortured, etc.
the credit of a great episode of TSCC belongs to Ashley Edward Miller and Zack Stentz who wrote many of the best Andromeda episodes (their episodes in season 3 were the ones to survive mostly intact despite the change of showrunners by then).

Yep, best terminator episode to date.
Hee. You sound like me when I was watching Eli Stone and was filled with rage by how they just totally ignored how the law and law firms actually operate. I have to admit my knowledge of blood types and genetics is not what it could be ;), but I get how you feel.
but Derek had his confession, knew what the future held for them all, and did he have a choice? I don't know.

Given the nod Derek and Andy exchange at the end, right before they go back, I think Derek had his permission as well. Not sure what happened to the Turk, however.
I had the same feeling, that Andy knew what Derek was planning as soon as he said that they could save them all, and that he gave him a nod of not just permission, but approval as well.
We've just had the first ep of TSCC this evening over here and it looks pretty good. I'll certainly be tuning next week at least.
Please tell me I wasn't the only one to not recognize Andy as one of the resistance fighters?

Heh, I didn't recognize him at all (but I'm terrible at the It's That Guy game even when people don't have random beards).

She has another mission that she was instructed by Future John to not tell Present John about. Or it's something personal, at least as personal as a cyborg can get.

I'm rooting for choice #2. I love the idea of her going off-programming and making actual choices herself!