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Battlestar: The Beginning of the End



I have to say this episode flew by which tells me they did a great job with editing and pacing. And the opening battle was spectacular, perhaps the best firefight I have seen on the show.

I kind of love, considering how maligned he can be, that Sam Anders saved the fleet. Hee. I’m not sure if it’s fate, destiny, or dumb luck, but if Kara had not vanished and Sam had not become a viper pilot and been there to be scanned then the fleet would have lost a hell of a lot more than it did. It also addressed something else. Boomer, Athena, and Caprica have been or are currently part of the fleet. The Cylons seem to have no issue in destroying them along with everyone else. However, they can download and be ‘reborn’. Since the entire Cylon fleet retreated after discovering Anders presence, it seems to prove that the final four are not only special in some way, but, apparently, are one of a kind.

Of course, the question must be asked, why wasn’t Anders ID on New Caprica? Why wasn’t Tigh ID previously in his forty years of service? Was something activated in them the closer they get to earth? Or is the reason they are still alive because they have, in fact, been recognized before?

Baltar is being hidden on Galactica. This doesn’t seem to be the best idea. Nor does taking him to a public restroom where anyone can see him. And in a fleet short on habitable space would Galactica have an unused section of the ship? These are just the small problems with this storyline. I’m still rather confused as to why Baltar is worshiped as a god or the god and why it seems to be mostly women who view him this way. I mentioned to danceswithwords that the scene in which the young woman offers herself to Baltar was slightly ookey, to which she responded, "Slightly?" Heh. Perhaps the goal of these women is to become pregnant by Baltar, to give birth to the son or daughter of god. While I’m uncertain I’d be thrilled with that element to the story, at least it makes it more than some guy's fantasy. The main problem is that we know nothing about this group, their beliefs or intentions, just that they worship Baltar amongst unused Christmas decorations.

As always, Baltar fascinates and infuriates. His praying for the child and his willingness to sacrifice his life for another seemed sincere to me. Yet, the moment the child recovers, the old Baltar ego resurfaces. Will he believe truly himself to be a god? Will he continue just to play along in an act of self-preservation? Or will he learn something on this new journey he is on and actually become a better person?

I spent most of the episode going, “Oh, Kara.” I knew Kara was going to come back different, Katee has hinted at that in interviews, and it makes sense to me that she shouldn’t be the same Kara. But so much of her behavior left me perplexed. I actually thought she was a bit bitchy at the beginning of the episode. If everyone you know tells you that they witnessed your death and you’ve been gone two months you cannot keep insisting you’ve only been gone a few hours. (Not to mention, did she look in a mirror? Her hair grew! ;) I do understand she was confused and scared and didn’t want to face the implications of what they were saying, but her anger at them was becoming annoying.

The big head scratcher was her plan to go after Laura Roslin with a gun. Why would she think attacking the president would get anyone to listen to her? At worst, she confirms their worst fears about her. At best, she’s coming off as psychotic, damaged by whatever she went through, and not to be trusted.

For the first time in quite some time, I actually liked Adama. He made reasonable choices. He even compromised, allowing Kara to walk around the ship under guard rather than throw her immediately into the brig. He wants to believe her, but he can’t, experience has taught him that. And I was immensely happy that he did not decide to follow Kara’s feeling. Given some of the plotting last year, I was worried. I think Kara had a bit of a spoiled child moment in asking Adama to put aside everything he knows to just follow this feeling she had. We’ve had three years of Kara’s plans and prowess saving the fleet and because of that I think she had an expectation that they’d just believe what she has to telling them. But there is a difference between instinct honed from experience and expertise and a feeling based on absolutely nothing. Kara could have been brainwashed. Those photos could be fakes. And she could be leading them all into a Cylon trap.

I’m not exactly sure why Lee was involved in the investigation, for lack of a better term. He did witness Kara’s ‘death’ first hand, but he is no longer in the military. Oh, well. ::hand wave::

marenfic commented that she was skeptical about the good terms between Lee and Adama. After all, the trial had just ended days before and prior to that Adama had questioned Lee’s integrity, something that would seem to be hard to just let go of. She makes a good point. While an actual apology would have been nice, Adama thanking Lee for jumping back into a viper and offering him his commission back I believe is as close as we will ever get to an apology from Adama. And Lee, I believe, has just come to accept that this is the way things are between them. In some ways it is probably healthy for him to do so.

I’ve been waiting for Lee to move from the military to a position in the government since early Season 1, but it’s important that Lee share with Adama that he’s felt the need to move on for some time now. This was a very understated moment between the two men, but it was also a huge moment between them. For years, Lee has made a choice to suppress his feelings and personal goals. He has a strong sense of duty and honor and he would never just abandon his command. As he said, he may have resigned for the wrong reasons - anger at his father - but it provided him with the opportunity to participate in the trial and see that perhaps he could be of even greater service to the fleet in another capacity. He’s saw that the dreams he had were still possibilities and that maybe he is able to serve the remnants of humanity better, make even more of a difference, if he moves beyond expectation.

And I really love that Adama just listens to Lee here. I’m sure it’s not what he wants to hear, but when has he ever just let Lee talk and share his feelings without interruption or opinion? He’s finally accepting that the Lee Adama he has so long chosen to see is not, in fact, the man before him.

Lee’s remark about if it were Zak that climbed out of the cockpit I discussed here several weeks ago when a bit of the scene aired in a promo. Here’s the most relevant part of my comments:

But, most significantly, Lee, who has been so adamant in his hatred of the Cylons, they are nothing but machines to him, is acknowledging that if it were Zak to suddenly return from the dead and it's because he's a Cylon he wouldn't necessarily care, he'd have his brother back. And it's telling us that if Kara is proved to be a Cylon, then he will accept her because it's Kara, someone he loves. So now he's making exceptions to his unwavering belief that Cylons aren't people, aren't individuals. Wouldn't the next step be understanding Helo's feelings for Sharon? Will he start looking at Caprica Six differently?

Watching the full scene, something hit me. Every other time Lee has talked about the Cylons, you saw his anger at them and the hatred for them. It’s understandable given the circumstances. Now there was almost a sense of...hope? I’m not sure that’s the right word. But if Kara being a Cylon or Zak being a Cylon meant he could have these people back in his life he’d accept them and, by extension, their race. And Lee is going to be part of the government now. This could get very interesting.

There was, for me, one odd moment in the exchange between Lee and Adama. It's when Lee asks if Laura was still staying in Adama's quarters? I don't know if the writers were throwing something out there for the A/R shippers, but Laura has stayed in Adama's quarters numerous time before so I don't see how this was any big revelation. And given she's in the middle of a Diloxin treatment and looked ill at the end of the ep, I'd guess there is nothing going on between them, at least at the moment. Through my L/L shipper glasses my immediate reaction was, "Wow. Lee cares!" Yet, I still think it's odd that he brought it up. On the other hand, it helps me with fic. ;)

I’m curious to see how much infighting goes on between the four. Poor Tigh is deep into rationalization. It makes sense since he’s believed himself to be a human longer than any of them, fought against the Cylons in two wars, and killed his wife for being a traitor to humanity. Tyrol seems to want to get to the truth of who they are and why they are there. Sam seems to want to reach out to Kara, though her “bullet between your eyes” comment may make him rethink that. Given her experiences with Leoben, I can’t exactly fault her attitude. I’m not sure how Tory fits into this all yet.

I have to say, I could have done without the constant reminders that four Cylons are now among them and OMG! They could betray the fleet! Every time Laura or Adama brought up the Cylons and the possibility there could be more sleeper agents among them the darting eyes of the four could have induced motion sickness. ;p

I just remembered I have to start listening to podcasts again.

::checks site::

::not up yet::

Woo!
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I could have done without the constant reminders that four Cylons are now among them

And they have been! From! The Beginning!

That phrase is so old ALREADY!

I forgot about the podcasts too, but now I'm impatient waiting for it to be posted.
I've seen two other people mention the constant not-so-subtle glances between the four. I'm glad I'm not alone. Maybe that's how they'll be discovered? They funny looks. :p
i think you make excellent points here with regard to lee, his new "destiny", or whatever that is, and his relationship to his father. i finally felt like he was being honest with himself, and with his father. in the end, i think it might be beneficial for the two of them, and they can learn to accept each other for what they are, for who they are, and not for whom they want the other to be.

regarding lee's question, perhaps he asked because of what has happened between them during the trial. he had reached a truce of some sort with his father, and even though he and laura had drifted apart, he cares for her. thing is, no matter how much he condemns someones actions, he never stops caring. at least, that's how i always saw him.

poor t_gh. i feel so so sorry for him.
they can learn to accept each other for what they are, for who they are, and not for whom they want the other to be.

I've always felt that Lee was accepting of Adama, accept for maybe that little coup attempt. ;) But Adama has always seen Lee and Apollo as one in the same. Adama never seemed to consider that Lee might want to do something else with his life other than follow in his footsteps. In part that has to do with being an absentee father, in part for not seeing that Lee choosing to serve in the military was out of a need for attention as well as a call to duty, and in part because he just never really listened to his son. This time, maybe Lee just being in civilian clothes helped. Or maybe being forced, as a judge, to absorb what Lee was saying on the witness stand about himself and the fleet gave him a clue. But it was the first time that Adama accepted the man before him and it gives me some hope for their future.
well, he was most definitely more accepting of adama than adama of him, that's true, but at the same time i've always felt that lee saw his father just a little bit larger than life, and that has changed now. he blamed him for zak's death, and he made him responsible for quite a few things that had gone wrong in both his and his brother's life. i doubt adama has THAT kind of power, yet lee gave it to him over and over again. until he didn't stopped doing it.

But Adama has always seen Lee and Apollo as one in the same.

that's so true! and i think that sums up really well his view of lee up to now.
and he made him responsible for quite a few things that had gone wrong in both his and his brother's life.

Obviously Lee blaming Adama for Lee's death was a mistake on his part, but I understood why he chose to lay the blame at Adama's feet. I have huge issues with ADitL, but it's canon and given what we know Lee and Zak went through and that Adama, at best, was an oblivious absentee father or, at worst, chose to turn a blind eye, both boys went through a lot because he wasn't there to help protect them. If Adama had been there chances are things would have been different, maybe Lee would be happier, maybe not, but it's easy to understand Lee's resentment and anger. And Lee is willing to accept the blame for the mess he's made of his personal life in recent years. Those were his choices and had little to do with his childhood, other than perhaps not wanting to repeat his father's choice to abandon his marriage.

I think with Lee moving on to a new career and the two not being in each other's presence every day that it will be good for both of them. If Lee fails it won't be because he's failing to live up the Admiral Adama's expectations or the expectations of others by being his son and Adama can (hopefully) see Lee realize his full potential now that he's freed of the constraints of the military and his father's command.
hmmm... true. still, i cannot but feel that adama wasn't nearly as "guilty" as he himself would like to think - man-pain, yay! - or as lee held him to be. somehow lee never seemed to blame his mother as much, apparently he was on speaking terms with her, yet, from my point of view - and that's entirely my pov - she did more damage than adama could have. lee didn't held HER responsible for zak's death, true enough, but i still felt that he blamed him for leaving more than he did her for being a horrible mother. plenty of children survive their parents separation, and not all are traumatized, or, if they are, they get over it because both parties are supportive and responsible. to me it seemed like she wasn't either. not that adama had no part in that, but i think she did more damage.

overall, i think it suited him to blame adama for everything, because he wasn't there. which is why, ultimately, i feel that he's giving him too much power.

i hope you're right about lee fulfilling his potential. actually, i tend to believe that you are, only, i wonder how the people will react if ultimately lee will hold an important enough position in the government. then they'd have adama men leading them on both fronts, and that takes me back to what baltar said about the "emerging aristocracy" and what romo echoed later in that deleted scene from crossroads.
I think I'm probably more sympathetic to Lee because I know someone in RL who lived through a similar situation to Lee's and I know what it did to them and how they still feel today. And while I do believe we have control over our own happiness, I also think there are times when it's understandable to blame others for some of the baggage we carry.

then they'd have adama men leading them on both fronts, and that takes me back to what baltar said about the "emerging aristocracy" and what romo echoed later in that deleted scene from crossroads.

You make a good point, but I think over the past few years Lee has shown that he often looks at things differently than his father and is willing to go so far as to lead the fleet in opposition of him so I would think the fears of an aristocracy would be small.
well, in RL, i had the exactly opposite experience once my parents divorced, which, i think, colours my own perception of lee's situation.

methinks it's not only natural that we "blame" people - mostly parents - for some of the issues we have, but we're also right in doing so. they have formed us, they taught us - or should have - wrong from right. which is why i have issues with lee being more pissed at his father - overall - than his mother. that, and the fact that i really hated carolanne as a character.

i completely agree: lee HAS shown that he can break away from his father. and he has broken away from him. but while we know that because we were privy to his inner struggle, the fleet might not. all they'll see is the name adama. everywhere. and as far as we know they did listen to baltar, and what he wrote in his silly little book. not all, but some listened. i would like that addressed at some point, as well as some governmental issues that have been bothering me somewhat.
and as far as we know they did listen to baltar, and what he wrote in his silly little book. not all, but some listened. i would like that addressed at some point, as well as some governmental issues that have been bothering me somewhat.

I've seen others bring up confusion as to why Baltar is being worshiped as a god. Glad it wasn't just me! And I hope the show is going to a really interesting place with that plot line since I think they already had in place a good set up for the character this season. Baltar, even after his disastrous presidency, still had his supporters. People were reading his book/manifesto and taking his words to heart. I would have really liked to have seen, after his acquittal, Baltar supporters call for his return, in some form, to the colonial government and have Laura and Adama have to deal with the ramifications of that. But, I admit, the political intrigue has always interested me far more than the theology/mysticism on the show.
i think - and i might be totally wrong - that the reason people listen to baltar (people like cally, i mean) is that they're growing unhappy with the way things are, and he's simply someone who gives those frustration a somewhat rational shape. he's telling them what they want to hear, and they believe him because they know he's been in power, so, in conclusion, he must know what he's talking about. the masses are generally easily swayed one way or the other, as long as you know how to manipulate them. roslin's spine-chilling "i'm playing the religious card" comes to mind. it isn't scary because she was about to lie, for she did believe, but because she knew what she was doing, that it was a deliberate move on her part.

why baltar has a cult? well, THAT i do not understand. perhaps because they think he saved them from the cylons by capitulating, then suffered under their rule like a martyr. i've no idea. ;)

i'd like to see baltar gain some sort of political momentum again. be seen as a real political threat, not just a nut job with a cult.
I think Anders ordered them back. The glowy red eye thing seemed to be some sort of message sending, maybe? Cause otherwise nothing makes sense, because they nuked Caprica, where Anders was living and he could have died then. There are some weird inconsistencies if we assume that the old-school cylons knew about the Final Five and didn't want to kill them. Maybe; I have to think about his some more.
I think we have to do some hand waving to buy that they all survived the Cylon attack and ended up in the fleet. Unless we find out these four can't be killed. And Kara had to go back for Sam on Caprica. Are we going to find out this is all pre-determined fate or is God playing a hand in all? I think my head is starting to hurt...

God was taking her chances, if it was God, cause there were some pretty close calls for all the Four, and it totally could have gone the other way.
I think Kara had a bit of a spoiled child moment in asking Adama to put aside everything he knows to just follow this feeling she had. We’ve had three years of Kara’s plans and prowess saving the fleet and because of that I think she had an expectation that they’d just believe what she has to telling them

I get the sense that she was trading on her previous experience with the Arrow of Apollo, that she (unrealistically) expected both Adama and Laura to welcome her new gift like that. I found the ending especially strange since my impression was that she felt that if only she could get to Laura and really talk to her, re-establish that rapport they'd once had as prophet and signpost, everything would be fine again; yes, pulling a gun on her is not a good way of ensuring that outcome. (But it does make for a tense cliffhanger. I hope that wasn't the point.)

it’s important that Lee share with Adama that he’s felt the need to move on for some time now. This was a very understated moment between the two men, but it was also a huge moment between them.

I just finished rewatching the first three episodes of Season 2, and I was struck by how much of Lee's conversation with Tigh over Adama's sickbed about how neither of them belonged in a uniform has led, inevitably, to this moment. I was glad he was finally able to have that talk with Adama himself.
yes, pulling a gun on her is not a good way of ensuring that outcome.

Heh. I think the setup would have worked better if she merely stole the gun for personal protection on the way to see Laura. Maybe when we pick up next week she'll lower the gun and tell her she just wants to talk. But if Kara's plan is to convince her to listen to her while endangering her life? No, not going to work.
If everyone you know tells you that they witnessed your death and you’ve been gone two months you cannot keep insisting you’ve only been gone a few hours.
I always like your unflinching view of Kara. I see her with so much sympathy and your view brings me right back to the middle with her. If only Kara was actually ever . . . logical. I don't expect it from her now, when she might be going crazy or something.

And Lee, I believe, has just come to accept that this is the way things are between them. In some ways it is probably healthy for him to do so.
This made me sigh and made me sad. NO! (That was my first instinct. :-)) Lee, don't just accept this limited relationship with your dad! Lee deserves more. I see Lee maturing but I miss that almost collegial relationship they had in Razor. And it was Adama's immaturity and blindness that damaged that. Sigh.

He’s finally accepting that the Lee Adama he has so long chosen to see is not, in fact, the man before him.
Finally. :-) But Lee not flying makes me sad.

And it's telling us that if Kara is proved to be a Cylon, then he will accept her because it's Kara, someone he loves. So now he's making exceptions to his unwavering belief that Cylons aren't people, aren't individuals. Wouldn't the next step be understanding Helo's feelings for Sharon? Will he start looking at Caprica Six differently?
This was so fascinating to contemplate, I had to mention it in my journal. How far will Lee go to believe and stand by Kara? What if she was going to do the fleet some wrong? I like that Lee is standing up for who and what he believes in, but I worry about him too. He's drawn his own lines and I believe (eep!) even loving Kara shouldn't make him cross them. Gosh, I can't believe I wrote that. The idea of Lee choosing between the fleet's safety (and his own beliefs) and his love of Kara is heartbreaking to me, and mostly on his behalf.

Through my L/L shipper glasses my immediate reaction was, "Wow. Lee cares!"
Hee, you are funny. Did you think he might be jealous? ;-)

I just remembered I have to start listening to podcasts again.
Podcasts! Aren't you just so glad it's all back?

Edited at 2008-04-06 04:50 pm (UTC)
This made me sigh and made me sad. NO! (That was my first instinct. :-)) Lee, don't just accept this limited relationship with your dad! Lee deserves more.

Lee does deserve more and I even think Adama deserves more. I just felt that Lee has tried for years to open up to his father, to get him to talk about about the things that are troubling him and vice versa, and each and every time he's been cut off. It's frustrating and painful and while not ideal I think it might be better for Lee emotionally and psychologically to just accept that this might be the best that it gets between them. And it occurs to me that Lee, if Adama hasn't told him, knows that his father voted for Baltar's acquittal which tells Lee his father listened to him and his words had an affect on him.

I'm not convinced that Lee is 100% sure that Kara is right and everyone else is wrong. I think he has faith in her, no matter what she is, and that he believes that she believes she has seen earth and can lead them there, but while being more inclined to listen to her I didn't see him really argue the point with Adama or Laura and we've seen him go against them before. This is a man who granted Zarek a certain amount of trust on two separate occasions, so I don't see it as out of character or potentially harmful to the character to see him wanting to trust Kara now.

Did you think he might be jealous?

Might??? ;-)

Edited at 2008-04-06 05:46 pm (UTC)
I think it might be better for Lee emotionally and psychologically to just accept that this might be the best that it gets between them.
I see your point. They had just gotten so far in Razor and in the beginning of season 3. They both keep slipping back and forth. But maybe that's normal. It took years for the realationship to get this way, it will take years to repair it.

Another good point about Lee not just blindly trusting Kara. I think he considers that she might be a Cylon but considering she has been dead for two months, at the moment I think Lee has the right not to care about that. Will come up for him later for sure, but not now.

Did you think he might be jealous?
Might??? ;-)

This made me grin. You are always so logical, until you go into shipper mode. It is possible that Lee was jeaolous of a lot with that line. Jealous that his father gets to fraternize, jealous that Laura has a closer relationship than he does with his own father, and maybe jealous of the woman his father is seemingly with. Maybe. You're forgetting a recent hug, though. ;-)
Re: the Final Four, it's also possible that they were so deep undercover that prior to being "activated" other cylons couldn't tell but now they can? Honestly, I got the impression (and I'm probably alone in this) that the communication was two way and it was almost as if Sam sent the whole fleet packing. Though I admit this is unlikely since he only "spoke" to a single raider. Some unwillingness to kill him on the part of the Fleet is maybe more likely. But...I just like my messianic Secret Cylons dagnabbit!

Honestly, and I have no idea why, but I had no trouble with Kara's behaviour at all. Sure it was...messy to say the least, but so's she. Then again, perhaps I'm still operating on the assumption that "Kara went slightly insane and that's AWESOME!"

Word to Adama being shockingly tolerable!

I didn't like Baltar's harem either but chose to view it as a deliberate homage to the ickyness of Charles Mansonlike cults. I certainly got the impression we were supposed to be shocked by that woman's violence against her attackers in the head. There's...something dangerous about that cult. Still...my feelings on them using a fairly sexist stereotype as shorthand are mixed.

Final point regarding the good terms between Lee and Adama, I'm also annoyed that Lee got no apology, but like you think this is the best he'll get. One thing that I'm wondering though: does Lee know that Adama voted not-guilty re: Baltar? If he does, then that could go a long way in lieu of an apology since that's basically an action that says to his son: you were right.
One thing that I'm wondering though: does Lee know that Adama voted not-guilty re: Baltar? If he does, then that could go a long way in lieu of an apology since that's basically an action that says to his son: you were right.

I touched on that in comments. We don't know that Adama has told Lee how he voted, but I think Lee believes it's Adama's vote that got the acquittal which tells Lee that his father listened to him and was swayed by his words. That's pretty huge, especially to Lee, and, yes, I think it would go a ways in patching things up between them without an apology.

Honestly, I got the impression (and I'm probably alone in this) that the communication was two way and it was almost as if Sam sent the whole fleet packing. Though I admit this is unlikely since he only "spoke" to a single raider.

The raider could have relayed the information to the hybrid on one of the basestars and thus the information would spread quickly. I think it's also possible that Sam could have gotten the Cylon fleet to retreat simply by hoping/praying they go away.
Very good stuff, especially all the things about Lee and hyow he may come to see all cylons differently. But on the topic of Kara, I have to seize on this sentence:

Kara could have been brainwashed. Those photos could be fakes. And she could be leading them all into a Cylon trap.

On thinking through my own meta, this was the one thing that leaped out at me (but which didn't while I was watching... I guess I needed time to think it all through). Suspicion of a cylon trap makes very little sense, since the cylons had humanity dead to rights before they suddenly withdrew for no particular reason. No trap could give them a more effective tactical and numerical advantage than the one they just abandoned at the Ionian Nebula. Suspecting that Kara is in cahoots with the cylons (either consciously or not) means suspecting that, once again, the cylons have shifted their agenda from the dalek-esque EXTERMINATE! And considering that possibility, I think, necessitates some serious consideration as to whether following Kara's directions might actually be the better way to go. Or maybe I'm missing something...
I do understand she was confused and scared and didn’t want to face the implications of what they were saying, but her anger at them was becoming annoying.
Yeah, it was. But unlike you I found it quite in character. Or perhaps I'm just annoyed by Kara more often than I'd like to admit and so it felt so familiar. LOL. I think I attributed her craziness to the fact that every jump seemed to be hurting her brain more and more. And in her stubbornness to see another point of view and her brash 'but you should believe me because it's ME' attitude, I DEFinitely saw the Kara I knew. That''s Kara ego through and through. I didn't know about Katee's comments in interviews so I came ot it blind but yet I expected her to be more different than she was. So much of her behaviour seemed exactly what I would have expected from a Kara who left the fleet for six hours, had an amazing experience and then returned to find everyone thinking she was a Cylon. Yeah, she didn't respond particularly WELL to that, but Kara's always been pretty abrasive and headstrong.

Having said all that, I'll stick up my disclaimer that I have NO CLUE about Kara really, compared to other fans, so no doubt I'll get laughed at for finding her in character.

Every other time Lee has talked about the Cylons, you saw his anger at them and the hatred for them. It’s understandable given the circumstances. Now there was almost a sense of...hope? I’m not sure that’s the right word. But if Kara being a Cylon or Zak being a Cylon meant he could have these people back in his life he’d accept them and, by extension, their race. And Lee is going to be part of the government now. This could get very interesting.
Yes, it really really could... *rubs hands eagerly* I'm excited by that scene and what it hints at for Lee in the future. I'm impressed with how easily they were able to sell this shift in Lee. I buy it because it's Kara and if anyone's able to turn things on their heads for Lee, it's her. And I found it very moving that the extension of him accepting Kara was thinking about Zak.
And in her stubbornness to see another point of view and her brash 'but you should believe me because it's ME' attitude, I DEFinitely saw the Kara I knew. That''s Kara ego through and through.

I do agree with that. Adama has always listened to and trusted Kara in the past and she was having trouble coming to terms with why he, and the others, weren't now even though we understand they have legitimate reasons not to trust her.

I won't go into details since I'm not sure you've seen 'Six of One' yet, but some of the issues I had with Kara were cleared up in that episode. Her actions and feelings made much more sense to me. I really think the episodes should have been aired back-to-back.
I've seen it now, but thank you for your restraint. The two episodes definitely felt like a pair, with Six of One an organic extension of He who believeth in me. I think I'm glad I didn't have all week to fret over the first half. ;)
Laaaaate to the party...
But there. :-) I hope you don't mind me going back to these.

Agreed on Adama being likeable for a change -- I didn't think that would happen again any time soon. But I also loved how you could see that Laura immediately got tense and nervous as soon as Kara showed up and you could see that she remembers that Adama's better judgment tends to go out the window where Kara is concerned. Nicely understated, but there.

Re: Baltar: I don't think they could have come up with a more annoying subplot (to me) if they'd tried. Baltar, masses of deluded women, and gratuitous sex. (With Baltar.) And of course he gets all self-sacrificing at the end. Bah.

Through my L/L shipper glasses my immediate reaction was, "Wow. Lee cares!"

Yeah, he does, and I think he's kind of jealous. :-) Not shippy-jealous, his delivery there was tight enough that I think he is bothered by their closeness.

Lee’s remark about if it were Zak that climbed out of the cockpit

OMG that scared the crap out of me! Of course, you have several weeks of new canon on me there, but as soon as Lee mentioned Zak, I went, 'Noooo, Lee, don't be a Cylon!' To me it totally sounded like set-up for that, something that he meant as about Kara, but that's really foreshadowing about what happens if Adama's son turns out to have been a Cylon all along.

The more I think about it, the cleverer I find it that they revealed four of the final five, because it makes the question of who is the last one a lot more interesting, given that we've been given reason to be suspicious for a whole lot of characters. So Lee's not top of my list just now, but this conversation actually put him on there, and noooo, Lee!!! ;-)
Re: Laaaaate to the party...
It's never too late for your thoughts. :)

Re: Baltar: I don't think they could have come up with a more annoying subplot (to me) if they'd tried. Baltar, masses of deluded women, and gratuitous sex. (With Baltar.) And of course he gets all self-sacrificing at the end. Bah.

Er, well, you may not be thrilled with the episodes to come in regards to Baltar then. No one seems particularly thrilled with that subplot.

I still don't think Lee is a Cylon. I have thought about Zak returning, but would they have Kara fall for two Cylons? Three if you throw in her weird relationship with Leoben. Is she some sort of Cylon magnet? ;) There has been speculation about it being Gaeta. Which would make sense given his closeness to Baltar and his part in the resistance. And then there is Laura. It would be fascinating to see how she deals with that revelation. Of course, there has been so much build up to who the final Cylon is, when they are revealed, we'll probably all just shrug our shoulders.