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'Six of One' - The Really Long Review ;)

I had hoped to get this posted last night, but around Midnight I had one of those "This doesn't make any sense!" moments and decided to go to bed. Things always look better in the morning. My apologies on the length. I tried to edit. Really!


Kara

I realized after writing up this post I hadn’t talked specifically about Kara. I felt she had some of the most powerful scenes in the episode. Her actions, which came off as out of character, even crazy last week made sense taken in context with ‘Six of One’. She even addressed what many have questioned – Laura’s unwillingness to trust Kara’s visions, when Laura has been leading the fleet based on visions of her own. But whereas the other characters seemed more in conflict with themselves, Kara’s feelings and motivations were quite clear to me. Which is why I have nothing much to add about her. ;)

Laura

I still understand Laura’s choice to doubt Kara’s claims. Laura’s visions are hers, they are her personal experiences, and ones she feels she can trust. She can also refer to prophecy and scripture to help substantiate her beliefs. And she hasn’t mysteriously returned from the dead. Added to all this is Laura’s perception of the value Kara places on her own life. She states to Adama that Kara placed herself in front of a bullet as if her life had no meaning. For someone doing whatever she can to sustain her life for as long as possible, to complete her mission, it puts into question Kara’s sincerity. But Kara’s asking to be shot is not suicidal behavior. Kara lists her personal failures, yet makes it clear that above all else the people she serves with she considers her family and their survival is the most important thing to her. Kara would die to save them all and if her mission, her destiny, is to be stopped by this one person, than that person might as well take the shot and end this.

I was a little unclear initially whether Laura really intended to shoot Kara, but she later makes it clear she did. I’m still processing her choice. It doesn’t quite sit right with me, yet it doesn’t feel out of character either. This is not the same woman who refused to touch a gun in ‘Valley of Darkness’. I was seeing a different Laura Roslin in this episode. Experience has made her tougher, harsher, and more desperate as she confronts her mortality. I think her mortality may be the key. In ‘Crossroads’ she informed the press that they were still accessing her condition and coming up with treatment options. Here, she tells Adama she is dying. Is she falling back to prophecy or has Cottle given her a dire diagnosis? Either way, she is convinced time is running out.

Kara’s return and declarations that she knows the way to earth has the potential to cause derision within the fleet. Laura knows this because she, herself, split the fleet based on her visions. But as Adama would later point out to Kara, Laura has been right up until now and Laura remains convinced they are on the right path. So Kara becomes an impediment. I don’t mean to paint a murderous portrait of Laura Roslin, that she’s come to a point where killing her ‘enemies’ is merely the quickest, easiest solution to her problems. Her choices are more complicated that that - a result of fear and desperation that she will die without achieving her goals. Yet it still scares me that Laura has the mindset to achieve her ends, set things right as she likely sees it, at any cost. She’s taken a child from her parents and did what she could to make Baltar pay, seeing that she believed killing Kara was the right thing to do isn’t hard to grasp.

Another interesting thing the show addressed about Laura was her identity. Adama points out she’s wrapped up in being the dying leader. I wouldn’t label Laura as egomaniacal, all of us have a strong desire to be remembered for something when we are gone, and Laura sees her legacy as the person that leads humanity to their new home. It’s the good she’ll be remembered for, outweighing the questionable choices she’s made along that journey. But Adama confronts her with the possibility she may not be the dying leader she believes herself to be, maybe it is Kara that is the key to finding earth, and her death may be as meaningless as everyone else’s. It’s after those words that Laura pulls out a clump of her hair and breaks into tears. I can’t help but feel sorry for her in that moment. She is a woman very much alone. She has no family, no friends, and the currant state of her relationship with Adama seems to echo his marriage in some ways. Now she’s confronted by both Kara’s return and Adama’s words that the choices and sacrifices she has made may be for nothing. She may not be remembered at all.

Adama

I thought my Adama hate was going to return after his initial scene with Kara. Kara frakked up, she disappointed him, and, once again, he cuts her out of his life. I could have done without the pushing, equating physical violence with a show of affection is becoming increasingly disturbing, but I’m setting that aside for the moment because, at least this time, Adama’s anger wasn’t based on personal disappointment, it was based on fear. Had Kara pulled the trigger, he couldn’t have protected her. He was confronted with losing her again and again being unable to stop it.

For a change, almost immediately you sense Adama actually regrets his actions. There was no visible anger when Lee salutes “absent friends” and he turns to acknowledge the picture of Kara. And Laura is witness to his increasing tendency to drink, a habit that seems to arise in emotionally stressful situations, usually involving his children. I wonder now if his drinking in ‘Crossroads’ had less to do with Tigh’s unraveling on the stand then Lee’s perceived betrayal?

Adama is in a difficult position. He has to protect the fleet and there is nothing to indicate that Laura’s course is the wrong one. Yet, he wants to believe Kara because, well, she’s Kara and because as much as she’s frakked up she has saved them. While I loved Laura calling him “Admiral Atheist”, I don’t know that believing in the gods and in a miracle should be mutually exclusive. After so much death, destruction, loss, and uncertainty it’s understandable to want to believe that miracles can still happen because to believe in miracles means hope still exists.

I haven’t agreed with many of Adama’s military decisions, but his decision at the end struck me as an excellent compromise that allowed him to remain true to his personal beliefs as well as his sworn duty to protect the fleet. He doesn’t discount that the president may be right and that Kara may be wrong, but the fact that Kara is willing to die before she is willing to stop trying is a powerful statement as to how convinced she is that she is right. How can he discount that? And he can’t deal with losing her again. She’ll either fight until she dies or simply slip out of his life.

Lee

The Lee scenes weren’t pivotal to this particular episode, but lay the groundwork for things to come. And while I thought there were many outstanding performances in this episode, being a Lee Adama fan, the moment Lee enters the deck and encounters his comrades, called to attention by Tigh to salute him, and the tears start to form - that moment killed me. Great acting by Jamie and the scene has been added to the list of my favorite moments of the series.

I appreciated the scene for many reasons. Lee leaving the military and the Galactica is a HUGE moment and I’m glad it was recognized as such. It almost felt as if Jamie was leaving the show. And while the party in Lee’s honor gave a good sense of how much the men and women who served under him respected him, his talents and leadership ability, the send off on the deck really drove home the impact he has had on their lives. I also have to say, after seeing the character kicked around by the writers the past couple of years, it was a nice show of respect by them as well. There were many times I wanted Lee to get the praise he deserved and he didn’t. This really helped make up for it.

Within the grand gesture, there are some really nice character moments. Lee shaking Athena’s hand and smiling at her - it doesn’t seem like that long ago he was pointing a gun at her head. Lee passing the duties of the CAG to Helo, wishing him luck, and the hug! (Btw, between the hug and grabbing him by the arm at the party, if anyone wants to write some Lee/Helo fic I wouldn’t object. ;) I wish we had seen more of their relationship develop, but these two have obviously become friends.

And then there is Lee and Dee. Initially, I thought their encounter was a bit odd. It doesn’t seem as if they have talked since she walked out on him. Lee chooses a lighter approach to their parting, “Looks like you got the house.” Dee smiles, but ends the moment with a solemn, “Goodbye, Lee.” But the more I thought about it, the more the way they end the relationship makes sense. I’ve wondered for a season and a half what these two have in common. Why are they together? One pretense was stripped away and they were forced to talk about the things they were avoiding, there wasn’t much to say to each other. The final nail in the coffin was the trial, which wasn’t just a trigger for Lee to make a career move, it also triggered the realization in Dee that she wasn’t married to Apollo. So, what more was there to say to each other? The marriage was a mistake, they both know that, and they are moving on.

Here I vent about the one thing that pissed me off about the episode. They cut the Lee/Laura moment! Not only have I seen the promo picture where they shake hands, but I read the exchange between the two in a recent SFX article. To have an idea of what is missing, here’s the excerpt from the article:

But Lee is most surprised to find President Laura Roslin – once again stricken with life-threatening cancer – front and center. “Madame President,” he says, a look of incredulity upon Bamber’s sharp features, “I didn’t expect to find you here…” “Where would you have me,“ says a beaming McDonnell. Giggling at her suggestive flub, she tries again…”Where would you have me be?”

WOULD IT HAVE KILLED YOU TO LEAVE THAT IN, RON??? Sigh. Back to the episode love…

I’m doing this a bit out of order and, no, I’m not avoiding the Lee/Kara scene. ;) This is actually one of my favorite scenes between the two - no hitting! But, seriously, the scene conveyed a lot about their relationship as well as Lee as a person.

We now know Lee is filling a vacant quorum position (which admireddisorder called weeks ago. :) and was nominated by Zarek. This isn’t a surprise. Zarek has always perceived Lee as a bit vulnerable and capable of being influenced, even if experience should have taught Zarek that Lee is not a follower accept of his own ideals. What intrigues me is that Lee says he’s willing to accept Zarek’s help because he’s new to all this. Zarek is the more experienced politician and perceives himself to have the ability to manipulate the media, the government, and the public as a means to his ends. But is the student going to turn the tables on the master? Will Lee end up using Zarek for his own agenda?

As for Lee and Kara, I won’t say Lee was ever dismissive of Kara’s talk of destiny, but his decision to alter his life has him pondering the significance of her beliefs more. He may not believe in a higher power directing their fates, but he’s beginning to feel they may both have destinies. Unfortunately, no matter how much they may love each other, right now, they each have a personal journey that lies along a different path. The kiss was passionate and full of emotion, but it was also a goodbye. Will they reconnect later? I don’t know. It depends on who they discover themselves to be after they do what they need to do. Most importantly, Lee leaves her telling her he believes her. She needs the knowledge that she has an ally to keep her going.

The Cylons

I’m still not certain the Cylons, or Ron, have a plan, but things presented to us over the past three seasons are beginning to make a lot more sense. “This has all happened before and will happen again.” Are we seeing the cycle once again begin to repeat itself? The Centurion models revolted against their human creators for being treated as slaves. Again, they discover they are being oppressed by their creators and turn on them. Three models are safe because they freed them and support them in their independence, but what if they, too, are eventually deemed a threat? Could the Centurions decide to slaughter every Cylon and human and start over? To try to improve the evolutionary process once more?

The Leoben model is fascinated by the possibility of talking with the final five, finding out what they have witnessed over time. That comment really struck me. Were the final five models created to be one of a kind with an ability to live indefinitely? And why? There is no sign that they have their own special resurrection ship. And the fact that the five’s experiences are not part of the collective conscious also makes them unique. I didn’t get the sense that Leoben saw them as gods, but something to be revered.

Caprica was the first Cylon to ‘kill’ her own kind, now Boomer is the first to vote against her model. We now have two instances of Cylons acting as individuals rather than part of the collective - two Cylons who spent a considerable amount of time among humans. And it can’t be a coincidence that the Cylon lines that voted against lobotomizing or dumbing down the raiders are of the same line of the individual Cylons who feel a particular affection for humanity.

After spending years analyzing the traits of the various Cylon models, it was nice to hear that, yes, each model is designed to be unique with their identity determined by the model. It also helps to explain why the idea of procreation fascinates them. It means identity is no longer predetermined, a life can be completely unique as the result of a combination of genetic material from two individuals.

Baltar and Tory

I’m still not sure what to think about Tory. I don’t actually think she took one for the team as Tigh was suggesting (which he was suggesting contrary to his claims) by sleeping with Baltar. I’m not saying she likes him, but she’s intrigued by him and his ideas are appealing to her. It also helps to explain her relationship out of nowhere with Sam. If she is drawn to Baltar out of a belief that he can provide her with some answers as to who she is, she may have been drawn to Sam sensing a connection with him.

Wasn’t Baltar supposed to be in hiding last week? And now he’s eating lunch with the rest of the masses aboard Galactica? Anyway! I like that Baltar’s seems annoyed with Baltar. Heh. It’s interesting that as Head Six encourages Baltar to focus on himself and the possibility he may be some divine leader it’s Head Baltar that is trying to get him to look beyond himself, cluing him into what he may be missing.

Baltar’s belief in a single god, a single higher power at the end of the string controlling both man and machine, seems sincere. Maybe that’s going to be Baltar’s role this season, trying to bring unity amongst the humans and Cylons, succeeding where the Cylons failed on New Caprica.
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you are much more forgiving of adama than i am. i too felt that he did the right think in letting kara go, but his reasoning is what got me all pissy. it bothered me that he didn't even try to suggest his "plan" to laura. laura, before sending off kara to get the arrow, discussed it with him. and this felt like that, only, not, because he did it behind her back.

it didn't bother me that he told her she might not be the dying leader, because it's true: she might not be. it bothered me that he threw it at her in spite. in anger and as a knee-jerk reaction to her telling him - truthfully - that he'd rather die than lose kara again, because he's afraid of living alone. it was in his tone. and it was a horrible horrible thing to say to someone who's dying, and who has done nothing but try and do good. and who saved everyone in the first place.

i think in the end that's what bothers me most: that people never seem to remember the fact that had it not been for her they'd be all toast. pun intended. even if she's NOT the dying leader, people should remember that. but people never do.

oh! oh! why didn't they leave that in? i bet lee would have her anywhere... is he moving to colonial one btw? where is he going? i didn't catch that exactly.

i like the cylon storyline, btw. that's kind of all i have to say about it. and i LOVE your idea about the cyclicity of time and a possible centurion rebellion.
it bothered me that he didn't even try to suggest his "plan" to laura. laura, before sending off kara to get the arrow, discussed it with him. and this felt like that, only, not, because he did it behind her back.

I'm waiting for the scene where Laura finds out what Adama did because she will not be happy. I'm sure he'll use his "it was a military decision" line which is a load of crap. He knew full well that Laura would have a legitimate argument for this being a bad idea and as president she needs to be informed of decisions that effect the civilian fleet. And while I don't necessarily think it is a bad idea, I do believe she'd have valid points such as if Kara is Cylon she could reveal their position to them.

oh! oh! why didn't they leave that in? i bet lee would have her anywhere... is he moving to colonial one btw? where is he going? i didn't catch that exactly.

Hee. And I'm guessing he's going to Colonial One. Have they ever stated where the Quorum meets since Cloud 9 blew up? I just assumed that Colonial One is the governmental ship and that all the officials stay there. It doesn't make much sense to have him on a random ship we don't know about.
I'd have to agree with you regarding actually appreciating the Cylon stuff in this episode since it brought so much quality information to the table and put things into perspective. And on a completely random note, am I the only one who thought Tory was trying to get a look at Gaius' back mid-coitus to see if he was perhaps a Cylon after all?

Great read on the Laura situation. Also agreed that the Laura/Lee scene would have been better left in, although thinking about it, I'm wondering if it was avoided because they want to further develop the rift caused by the trial once he's officially part of the Quorum. And word on the Lee/Dee send-off. So say we all!
And on a completely random note, am I the only one who thought Tory was trying to get a look at Gaius' back mid-coitus to see if he was perhaps a Cylon after all?

Heh. I thought about that too. It didn't strike me when I was watching it on my computer, but the focus on his back on a 40" screen did put the idea in my head.

Also agreed that the Laura/Lee scene would have been better left in, although thinking about it, I'm wondering if it was avoided because they want to further develop the rift caused by the trial once he's officially part of the Quorum.

As BITTERLY disappointed I am that the scene was cut, there may be a reason it was cut. Perhaps there is still some residual animosity in subsequent episodes so the two of them having a nice moment here would seem out of place. I also wonder if they wish to build to a slow reconciliation between the two. If there is a rift between Laura and Adama then perhaps she'll turn back to Lee for support. ::hopes::
My husband got to see the episode last night, and when he saw how Tory's leg was hooked on Gaius, and all of the same positioning as KLG, he started moaning, "Oh Lee, Leeeeeeeeegasm!" I thought you might appreciate that. Aren't I blessed? ;)
Laura’s visions are hers, they are her personal experiences, and ones she feels she can trust.

Exactly. Additionally to that, I would assume that if Kara didn't "die" and had visions, she would listen to her more carefully. It's the dead part that might confuse her a little. ;)

In ‘Crossroads’ she informed the press that they were still accessing her condition and coming up with treatment options. Here, she tells Adama she is dying. Is she falling back to prophecy or has Cottle given her a dire diagnosis? Either way, she is convinced time is running out.

This is something I was wondering about, too. On the one hand it seems to be her choice this time to fight her cancer, on the other hand she sounds like she is determined to die. I would understand if she tried to fight her cancer by, I don't know, positive thinking or something, and if doesn't work, she has accepted that she is dying. But there she is undergoing diloxin treatment, something that makes her feel more aweful than the cancer could at the moment and she was totally against using that kind of treatment the first time around - so why is that same woman talking like she won't make it anyway?

Is her fight against this, the chemo therapy, not something she is doing for herself but for other people?

I’m still not sure what to think about Tory. I don’t actually think she took one for the team as Tigh was suggesting (which he was suggesting contrary to his claims) by sleeping with Baltar. I’m not saying she likes him, but she’s intrigued by him and his ideas are appealing to her.

I had the same impression of her falling for Baltar somehow. I would say it's out of character for her, but as we don't know much of Tory, I can't take that liberty. ;)
Is her fight against this, the chemo therapy, not something she is doing for herself but for other people?

I suspect it may be. She knows that the chamalla didn't work the first time, but she is using it again in combination with the diloxin. My assumption is that after the miracle cure turned out to not be a cure, but a reprieve, she decided to try anything to extend her life as long as possible. If circumstances were different, I think she would forgo treatment and just take whatever time she had left, but she has to buy as much time as she can to lead her people to their new home.
Random thoughts:
Baltar- gee maybe eventually all the cylons will appear in his head.
Lee - thanks for clarifying what gov't role he'll fill, I seemed to missed that.
Kara - Homesick, not home sick
Laura - what was it she said as she picked up the gun? again my cable sound was going in/out all night
Cylons - very interesting how human all the cylons are acting (forming alliances, disagreeing, and as we have seen with the Six models: different personalities)
Adama - is he ever gonna finish that model boat?

Edited at 2008-04-12 08:02 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure what Laura said either. I've seen a lot of complaints about the sound mixing in this episode.

Remember Adama trashed the boat in 'Maslstrom'? Apparently he put it back together in the last two months. ;)
Okay, so, having stolen a functioning computer, I have just watched it and, like you right after seeing it, I...cannot process a lot of it right now, but I felt compelled to post regarding two things I can process:

But Lee is most surprised to find President Laura Roslin – once again stricken with life-threatening cancer – front and center. “Madame President,” he says, a look of incredulity upon Bamber’s sharp features, “I didn’t expect to find you here…” “Where would you have me,“ says a beaming McDonnell. Giggling at her suggestive flub, she tries again…”Where would you have me be?”

THEY LEFT THAT OUT?! Darnit, it's one of the finest hours of television I've ever seen and I find out it could have been BETTER?! Oy.

Also re: Roslin. Wow.

You're right, she isn't the same person she was in Valley of Darkness. She's not the same dying this time around. Last time she was scared, running out of time bred fear as well as determination. A quiet stoicism and the steel to make choices others wouldn't.

This time, though. This time she seems free. I think about the way they played her post-2.13 and she's always buttoned up, professional. Occasionally - like when she was chatting with Tyrol in Dirty Hands - we see a ray of her old humour. On New Caprica. Or preparing for the debate. But she's solidly professional and very...I suppose "restricted" is the right word, in her choices. But here...

She shoots Kara. But more than that, her entire attitude with Adama. It'd be easy to put that down to their growing friendship - or at least companionship - I love your comparison of their relationship to Adama's marriage, though I think that Roslin is more aware of this than Adama, perhaps - but her demeanor is different somehow. Her abrupt insistence that he sit down at tell her what the matter is - even though it's friendly. Her blunt appraisal of his behaviour. Her smile as he tries to get to her and she just quietly acknowledges that he may be right... I can't put my finger on it any more precisely, but I see in her things I haven't see since very early in the first season.

Freedom. And true freedom can be terrifying. Perhaps it stems as much from her realisation of quite how much power she wields and quite how little comuppance they could ever give her as much as her absolute conviction that she's dying. But she's turned a little more into one of those old ladies who wear purple and spit in the streets.

I think she shot Kara because there wasn't a reason in the world for her not to. I think that Laura Roslin's decided: to hell with the rules far more explicitly than she's ever decided that before (because before it was always to hell with the rules for now). And that's just breath-takingly awesome when you combine it with someone who is - I still feel - innately good.

And I'll stop my senseless gushing now, except to say:

I thought of you during the awesome Lee scenes, and NO, NOT LAURA'S HAIR!
This time, though. This time she seems free. I think about the way they played her post-2.13 and she's always buttoned up, professional. Occasionally - like when she was chatting with Tyrol in Dirty Hands - we see a ray of her old humour. On New Caprica. Or preparing for the debate. But she's solidly professional and very...I suppose "restricted" is the right word, in her choices. But here...

Her demeanor with Adama was very unexpected to me. There was a bit of, for lack of a better word coming to me, bitchiness in her attitude. Part of that is probably just a natural extension of feeling more comfortable around Adama. And whatever their relationship is with him she now feels she can just be blunt. Plus, she believes he is on her side, she doesn't have to worry about courting military support any longer.

But there may also be a part of her that is saying, I'm dying and to hell with the facades and pleasantries, at least in dealing with people she knows well and know her. That can be freeing, but I also worry about her becoming more and more isolated. I don't fear her alienating people because of her attitude, but because she has become so unwavering in her belief that it is her path they must follow.

I think she shot Kara because there wasn't a reason in the world for her not to. I think that Laura Roslin's decided: to hell with the rules far more explicitly than she's ever decided that before (because before it was always to hell with the rules for now). And that's just breath-takingly awesome when you combine it with someone who is - I still feel - innately good.

Perhaps the closer she feels they are to earth the less the rules need to be adhered too. Which is potentially kind of scary and could give Zarek an opening for a power play. But I, too, feel Laura is still innately good. She's not going to begin randomly executing people, but Kara did, in her mind, pose an immediate and direct threat to her and to her mission.
There was a bit of, for lack of a better word coming to me, bitchiness in her attitude.

Yeah, it was weird... I couldn't tell if it was bitchiness or...practicality? Like, I can talk to you this way because we're friends, and by talking to you this way, it's actually kind of a show of affection. Except...not in a flirtatious way. In a...wow, yeah, see how confused I am?

Basically she was calling time on his attitude the way you would to a five year old. But I can't tell if it was done with care or exasperation.

That can be freeing, but I also worry about her becoming more and more isolated. I don't fear her alienating people because of her attitude, but because she has become so unwavering in her belief that it is her path they must follow.

Yeah, last time she had Lee. Lee wouldn't have walked out on her while drunk so she could discover her hair was falling out all on her own!

I think that Laura has...always been a solitary character. Other people swing into her orbit, and leave, but she doesn't look for them. I think because she feels its her burden to bear and she's the one with whom the buck stops. She'll never ask for help. And one thing that I love about her character is the way that she just...accepts everything that's thrown at her. All the accusations, and the insults. She'll state her case if she feels there is one, but more than that she just...says, "Yes." Do you remember the frakking toaster party on Kobol? Yes. Did you steal my baby? I did. Did you plan genocide? Absolutely. All that stuff Bill throws at her and she just takes it: doesn't ask for help.

Laura started this whole series finding out that she had cancer, alone. Crying about it in an airplane bathroom, alone.

The tenderness in season one with her choosing to confide in Lee is remarkable because her reaching out is unusual. I don't think the show is inviting the comparison, but I can't help comparing it to the person she chose to confide in this time. He seems to take much more than he gives.

I'm...rambling utterly now, but like you, I worry that she'll isolate herself. As you say, not because of her behaviour so much as her determination to leave everyone else behind as she carries on, hell-bent.

Which is potentially kind of scary and could give Zarek an opening for a power play.

You know, I'd never even thought of that. Argh, that'll teach me for forgetting Zarek's choosing to play nice rather than having been de-fanged. Now I'm worried about that too!
Yeah, last time she had Lee. Lee wouldn't have walked out on her while drunk so she could discover her hair was falling out all on her own!

This actually made me chuckle. Another point I can whip out when I need to defend Lee. ;)

The tenderness in season one with her choosing to confide in Lee is remarkable because her reaching out is unusual. I don't think the show is inviting the comparison, but I can't help comparing it to the person she chose to confide in this time. He seems to take much more than he gives.

Laura only confides in people when she feels she absolutely has to. She told Billy about the cancer because he was the one person she'd be spending the most time with and it would be hard to hide her illness from him. Lee, she trusted Lee, yes, but he was also her military liaison and I think she felt it was important that he knew. But there is definitely a difference in how the Adama men took the news of her impending death. Lee's reaction in 'Bastille Day' was obviously one of shock and sadness, but he accepted what she was telling him because he knew he couldn't change situation. Adama, as he is prone to do, goes into denial mode because he doesn't want to face that certain things are beyond his control. And what Laura needs is support, he needs to get in her head, and all he can do is get angry that she can get into his.
’m still processing her choice. It doesn’t quite sit right with me, yet it doesn’t feel out of character either. This is not the same woman who refused to touch a gun in ‘Valley of Darkness’. I was seeing a different Laura Roslin in this episode. Experience has made her tougher, harsher, and more desperate as she confronts her mortality. I think her mortality may be the key
I think you're right on the money there. It was a shock to me but it didn't feel out of character. To quote the Cylons 'something's changed', and mortality seems to be the key.

I wouldn’t label Laura as egomaniacal, all of us have a strong desire to be remembered for something when we are gone,
Yeah, she's certainly not obsessively egomaniacal, but I think ego does play a small part in her behaviour here, and like you, I felt so sorry for her when her hair fell out and she cried.

Wow, you are so mellow about Adama this week! :D I envy you. He had me all grrrrr.

There were many times I wanted Lee to get the praise he deserved and he didn’t. This really helped make up for it.
*nods* It worked for both Lee AND the audience.

Btw, between the hug and grabbing him by the arm at the party, if anyone wants to write some Lee/Helo fic I wouldn’t object. ;) I wish we had seen more of their relationship develop, but these two have obviously become friends.
If I wrote fic, I'd write that. FORSURE. They're my sekrit OTP. ;p

WOULD IT HAVE KILLED YOU TO LEAVE THAT IN, RON??? Sigh. Back to the episode love…
OMG, that would have made it a really different scene! And I would have cried EVEN MORE. Wow. What a pity. They seem to have really decided that Laura remains ungenerous towards Lee. That makes me sad.

I like that Baltar’s seems annoyed with Baltar. Heh.
Yeah that amused me a great deal too.
Wow, you are so mellow about Adama this week!

Should we take bets how long it will last? ;p

They seem to have really decided that Laura remains ungenerous towards Lee. That makes me sad.

I'm hoping there is a specific reason they cut the scene. Perhaps there is still lingering animosity between them in subsequent episodes and a brief reconciliation here would then seem out of place. Or maybe they want a gradual rebuilding of their previous relationship. ::remains hopeful::
It seems a very deliberate change so it's likely they are setting some scene or plot up in making it. I can see how a reconciliation here would have seemed out of place--and too easy, maybe. If the cut means we get a longer scene where the two really talk then I'd be really happy.
The Centurion models revolted against their human creators for being treated as slaves. Again, they discover they are being oppressed by their creators and turn on them.

I hadn't really made an explicit connection between the Centurion turning on Cavill and the original Cylon rebellion, but isn't it interesting that they apparently did have sentience, and it had been mechanically suppressed? Perhaps the human models were always conscious that they could be a problem.
Interesting about the Lee/Laura moment that was cut - I just went back to look at the promo pic cause I had been avoiding those. :) I agree with others that it makes more sense that it was cut (even though I enjoyed the exchange that you noted!) because of the rift between them that was so clear during the trial. That said, they probably should've included a Lee/Laura moment but made it colder, to fit with the state of their relationship. Like, of course the Prez has to shake his hand, but she's not gonna like it. :) I'm actually looking forward to seeing Lee/Laura having political fights! I dare say it is Season 1-esque!

Also, how does Lee get in the Quorum on a nomination? Don't the people vote for their Quorum reps? Whatever. *handwave*
Quorum representatives are nominated for the position, at least they are in the current government. Both Zarek and Baltar were selected as representatives in 'Colonial Day'.
I was watching that hangar deck scene like a hawk and was thoroughly grumpy when Lee got interaction with everyone BUT Laura, but having seen ep 3, I forgive them. She's pissed off at him! Shutting him out! I LOVE IT like I've loved few things since early season 2.

And god, Zarek nominated him! *draws hearts*

I also liked the Lee/Dee scene. The house comment was brilliant, as was her being unable to crack jokes. I just love how sparse the whole thing was.

Though my loudest reaction to this ep was 'nooo, Tory, noooo! ew, ew, ew.' *sigh*

I LOVE IT like I've loved few things since early season 2.

If you loved that, wait until you are caught up. ;-)

Though my loudest reaction to this ep was 'nooo, Tory, noooo! ew, ew, ew.'

Yeah, that was most peoples reaction.

Edited at 2008-05-21 01:29 am (UTC)