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Battlestar Galactica: 'Faith'

I only watched this episode once. I merely skimmed over my notes. And I wrote this in under two hours. Woo!



I enjoyed (enjoyed being a relative term considering how unrelentingly bleak this season is) ‘Faith’ much more than ‘The Road Less Traveled’. It was pretty damn obvious, given the title of the episode was ‘Faith’, that faith would play a large role in the story. We had Kara’s continued faith that she could lead them all to earth. We had a small group still believe in Kara. Others simply maintained faith she’d return to the Demetrius, a success or a failure. We had Emily’s faith that there was a beautiful afterlife awaiting her in which she’d be reunited with her family. We had Laura’s faith renewed in that she believes it’s not her time yet and she’ll live long enough to achieve her goal. And unlike last week, I felt that the A storyline (Kara’s) and the B Storyline (Laura’s) paralleled each other then converged much more successfully. Both women were confronted with some painful truths, but both have the faith to go on.

Let me also say that I felt Mary McDonnell, always outstanding, blew me away in this episode, particularly during her breakdown in front of Emily while talking about her mother. We’ve witnessed Laura becoming more emotional in the past several weeks. She was nearly driven to tears at the Quorum and, earlier in this episode, she expressed to Tory her fears that the illness was interfering with her ability to do her job. But I appreciated that when she finally has the big emotional catharsis it has nothing to do with being president, protecting the fleet, or her overwhelming goal to lead them to earth. It was something much more personal and it revealed a lot about her and her relationship with her mother that we’ve heard so little about.

It’s fascinating that a woman who has so much faith that it is her destiny to save the remnants of humanity, fears dying because she has no faith that there is anything but darkness when the end comes. Laura’s mother did fight the cancer as long as she could because she wanted to be a part of the life she knew, but there is nothing to prove that she was terrified of the afterlife. It was Laura that was unwilling or unable to confront the unknown, who is still searching as she knows her life is coming to an end, and that is terrified by that which remains a mystery to her.

Now, I did have some issues. I do think, overall, the writers and Mary have done a good job of depicting the physical and emotional toll of cancer treatment on a person. Bald Laura did bother me, but not in the way they presumably intended. Putting aside the bald cap looked fake, I felt it was cheap theatrics on the part of the show. It’s obvious Laura’s been wearing wig, hell, she even mentioned it to Baltar, so to show her sans hair was merely suppose to shock us. To what end?

Other than touching upon a few things Emily said, which I felt were important, I’m largely skipping over her scenes with Laura. Nana Visitor was quite good; it’s the way the show chose to depict someone in their final days that upset me. I don’t wish to get morbid or too personal in a public post, but I watched my father die of cancer and none of what I was seeing here rang true to me. To me it was the typical TV/movie death that bares little to no resemblance to the reality of such a death and I expect more from a show that touts its realism whenever it can. And when I say the scenes upset me, it wasn’t that they made me sad, it’s that they pissed me off because they frakked up so many things. I can’t imagine anyone would want me to elaborate, but if you have any specific questions I’ll answer in comments. So, yeah, to spare you all a prolonged rant I’ll keep Emily references to a minimum.

Let’s move on to what did work for me…

My Kara like is returning. This is the first time this season that I recognized Kara. I worried in that unbelievably tense teaser that Kara was about to be lost to me forever. But as horrific as the shooting of Gaeta was, it was a hugely important turning point for Kara. It seemed to be a moment of clarity for her and she snapped back to the person, the leader, she use to be. All thoughts of jumping away and her mission that superseded everything else in her life went away. Instead, her sole focus was tending to Gaeta, a man who had just mutinied against her. I loved seeing her work on his injury, dong her damndest to save him, and being so good at something after flailing about for months. Crazy, obsessed Kara went away in that moment and YAY! Too bad she couldn’t have thought about taking the raptor and going off on her own before Gaeta’s left to contemplate possibly losing his leg. Sigh.

Sam, you poor, pathetic, messed up bastard. Shooting Gaeta was the stupidest thing he has ever done. (Though threatening Helo with the possibility of being brought up on charges for leading a mutiny is up there since it’s Kara who is the one who was disregarding Adama’s orders.) I think I would have had less of a problem with him making that choice if it was clear he truly believed that Kara’s path was the true one, but all I’ve been presented with is a guy who’s doing what he’s doing because Kara is his wife. I wondered what would have happened if Lee was there with them and I saw him taking Helo’s side. Of course, had Helo *and* Lee been standing against her it may have made her realize she was acting like a crazy woman before Gaeta got shot. It’s the first time I’ve really looked at Sam as an enabler. And, sadly, what do you want to bet there will be no ramifications for Sam for shooting Gaeta? Adama will somehow whitewash that action like he has so many others involving his people.

Sam’s characterization continued to be messy for me throughout the episode, but I do wonder if that was the point. He’s lost right now, struggling with his identity, and terrified more so than the other three, I think, of turning on his ‘family’. But he’s also beginning to have issues with killing Cylons, at least the skinjobs. I don’t think any programming prevented him from pulling the trigger and killing Six, it’s a question, for him, of how far removed is he from them.

One of the more intriguing scenes was Sam reaching out to the Sharon so she wouldn’t die alone while Athena was unable to. Athena has worked so hard to be more human, to be seen as human, that she wasn’t able to embrace that part of herself which she’s worked so hard to distance herself from. Sam, who, in the past, has viewed Cylons as nothing more than machines, who now fears what that means about him, in Sharon’s final moments is able to show grace (no pun intended). He saw the life, the emotions, in her eyes and suddenly sees they are more alike then he thought. I think there will be two consequences of this. He will be more encouraging of an alliance, not because Kara wants it, but because he sees the hope in it. And he’ll start focusing more on the person he has always been and worry less about the biology of who or what he is.

It was nice to *finally* get Athena’s reaction to the civil war. When she sees the massive destruction she comments that Leoben was correct about the civil war. It hadn’t occurred to me before, but perhaps her lack of reaction last week was because she didn’t believe him? They only had his word about what happened (the ship could have been damaged to reinforce his story) and Athena knows, from personal experience, how willing the Cylons are to lie to entrap humans and achieve their desired goals. I’m now more forgiving of her non-reaction last week.

I also loved Athena’s little eyeroll when the Sharon was trying to convince her to help them take out the Sixes. ;)

I wondered in a previous post that once the Sixes, Eights, and Threes turned on the rest, what was to stop them the turning on each other? Well, that didn’t take long! The Eights want to eliminate the Sixes. The Sixes are having issues with the Threes. And the Centurions are now deciding on their own when to start shooting. The Cylon/Human divide is quickly eroding.

I wish I cared more about Baroley’s death, but unlike Mathais, we never got to know her. I think this was the first time she’s had more than a line of dialogue. But they needed her death to reveal something about the Cylons. I actually had zero sympathy for Six once she made the choice to kill Baroley, but why she felt compelled to do it was intriguing. We know that Cylons retain all their memories through the resurrection process, however I don’t think we’ve ever had it so clearly presented to us how that affects them. Caprica, D’Anna, and Cavil – they’ve all been shot and reborn, but those were fairly quick deaths and the result of humans trying to save their own lives. It was clear here that this Six was tortured to death. That combined with her inability to comprehend why anyone would want to do that to her since she hadn’t harmed anyone and was trying to help humanity (though her ‘help’ didn’t extend to stopping any of the atrocities she knew to be going on, hence my lack of sympathy) left her psychologically damaged. Six ultimately accepts her death at Nathalie’s hand since she’s been unable to get past what happened to her. If she truly has faith as Emily does, she believes there is a better afterlife awaiting her.

Six’s pain and subsequent actions, made me think of Gina. What Gina endured was much worse than what this Six had and if the Six was unable to fully recover from her ordeal, it’s clear to see why Gina was desperate to end her existence, permanently.

I’ll let others analyze the Six on Six kiss, but it squicked me a bit.

I’m not going to dwell too much on the Hybrid’s words to Kara. We’ve heard most of it before and I don’t think her words are all doom and gloom as the writers are hoping we believe them to be. I hope Kara is able to realize that “will lead them to their end” can simply mean the end of their journey, in all probability earth. I did find some of the Hybrid’s references interesting. Does the “spark of god’s fire” have something to do with Kara’s miraculous return? Laura still seems to be the dying leader. And now there seems to be a belief that the final five came from earth or, more precisely, the fabled thirteenth tribe. That would mean that the five were created separately, if they were created at all.

Just as I was commenting to danceswithwords that this was the second week without Adama and Lee, Adama shows up. Obviously, being a Lee fan, I have some issues with Lee being MIA for two weeks in a row, but it also helps to clarify Jamie comments about not being entirely satisfied with Lee’s storyline and being glad the series was coming to an end. But back to Adama…I know the A/R fans were probably thrilled with the scene, hell, I’d be thrilled if Lee and Laura were having a private conversation, but I didn’t find the scene added much to the episode. Adama wasn’t revealing anything that we didn’t already know. Laura’s dream/vision had already shown she had found a new resolve to push on. The scene just felt very much tacked on to me. Perhaps Eddie kicked up a fuss about being absent for two episodes, though it’s still glaringly evident Adama doesn’t have his own story this season.
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It seemed to be a moment of clarity for her and she snapped back to the person, the leader, she use to be.
Yes, it did! Someone else saw it! Yay!

Too bad she couldn’t have thought about taking the raptor and going off on her own before Gaeta’s left to contemplate possibly losing his leg. Sigh.
Yes, too bad. (His leg better be all right.)

It’s the first time I’ve really looked at Sam as an enabler.
It's like their marriage is totally co-dependent. Or maybe Sam's just dependent, I don't know. But I also took it that he's terrified to go back to Galactica, especially without answers of who he is.

And he’ll start focusing more on the person he has always been and worry less about the biology of who or what he is.
Hmm. Maybe. I just think he's going to die before he figures all that out.

If she truly has faith as Emily does, she believes there is a better afterlife awaiting her.
Do the Cylons believe in an afterlife? This is one of few times when their deaths really meant dead. And for some, like Gina, it was almost better to really be dead.

I liked the Adama/Roslin scene. She looked almost happy and so many of the minor characters I like were dead or injured. I don't get Adama's newfound faith and the fact that they are contemplating Baltar is scary, but I needed some . . . hope at the end. I believe Laura (and Kara) will get them to Earth somehow and that hope was nice to feel.
I think it depends on which Cylon you talk to whether or not they believe there is an afterlife. Cavil would be a definite no, Leoben would say yes. The Sixes, between Gina's suicide and Caprica's talk of god's love and a desire to learn what exists beyond their current existence, I think they, too, believe in an afterlife. It would be interesting to hear Athena's view on this subject. She's always talked of god and the gods in an intellectual rather than spiritual way, in my opinion.
since it’s Kara who is the one who was disregarding Adama’s orders

See, I think that one can argue this either way. For me, whether or not it was clear to all the crew, the Demetrius' charge was to find the way to Earth. She was/is relatively expendable compared to Galactica and the Fleet. Adama had already made that calculation. He was giving Kara a ship based on nothing more than hope. So, the argument that they might die if the jump to the basestar turned out to be a trap is a specious one. It's Kara's mission, and if she says jump, they should jump. It was never about logic - logic would have had Kara airlocked by now (and if Helo picked Seelix then he was a fool, or deluded about her feelings towards potential and actual Cylons.) The crew was just trying to save their skins, rather than thinking like Viper pilots ("you're already dead").

Maybe it's splitting hairs, but for me the only logical reason for returning me would be that otherwise they have no way of rendezvousing with Galactica otherwise. I like the solution that Kara came up with - however, they could as easily have reversed the setup: the Raptor goes back to Galactica, and the Demetrius goes on to the basestar. That would have been more sound from a strategic perspective: the crew is there to serve Kara, so they should have been with her to back her up on the continuation of her expedition.

Following on from that, I would like to see Seelix, Pike, et al disciplined for fomenting mutiny against their captain. (Helo too, but I feel like he was just trying to preserve unity. But if you hold that the senior officer is responsible for the actions of his subordinates, then I guess Helo has to take the fall.) It's not that interesting story-wise, though, so I doubt we'll ever see the fallout one way or another.

And I guess I've found out that I'm truly a BSG fan, not just a Lee fan (though that was always true) - I have missed him these past two weeks, but this ep was no less gripping for his absence! *g*

Edited at 2008-05-10 04:56 pm (UTC)
I think there is a difference between viper pilots going into battle and knowing they could very well die in an effort to protect the fleet and blindly trusting the enemy and quite possibly jumping into a trap. There is no question the crew was interested in saving their lives, but it's understandable when they are looking at an unnecessary death. And didn't someone voice the concern that if the Cylons got a hold of the ship they could find out where the rendezvous with the fleet was to be? They were also, as Athena put it, running on fumes. They didn't have the fuel to jump to a basestar and then to the fleet. Of course, had Kara thought of Plan B before the mutiny the fuel problem would have been a non-issue.

I just think if there was a court martial, which we know there won't be, Helo and the rest had plenty of support for why they did what they did. Yes, you are supposed to follow your captains orders, but the captain also bares responsibility for the lives of their crew. Matthais death was a tragic accident (that's at least how I viewed it), but Kara was potentially leading them all to be slaughtered.
One of the more intriguing scenes was Sam reaching out to the Sharon so she wouldn’t die alone while Athena was unable to. Athena has worked so hard to be more human, to be seen as human, that she wasn’t able to embrace that part of herself which she’s worked so hard to distance herself from. Sam, who, in the past, has viewed Cylons as nothing more than machines, who now fears what that means about him, in Sharon’s final moments is able to show grace (no pun intended). He saw the life, the emotions, in her eyes and suddenly sees they are more alike then he thought. I think there will be two consequences of this. He will be more encouraging of an alliance, not because Kara wants it, but because he sees the hope in it. And he’ll start focusing more on the person he has always been and worry less about the biology of who or what he is.

I agree with all of this except for your conclusion that he'll focus more on who he has always been. I think some serious worm cans have been opened for him and he is going to continue to dig into who and what he is, and what it all means. He's on as much of a journey as Tory, Tigh, or Tyrol.

I didn’t find the scene added much to the episode. Adama wasn’t revealing anything that we didn’t already know. Laura’s dream/vision had already shown she had found a new resolve to push on. The scene just felt very much tacked on to me. Perhaps Eddie kicked up a fuss about being absent for two episodes, though it’s still glaringly evident Adama doesn’t have his own story this season.

I suspect this is all a part of setting up his story. It's important we see that he has faith in Laura. It's also important that he tells us the Demetrius is overdue, but he has faith in Kara since they obviously haven't jumped away from the rendezvous point yet. And I do think, like Lee's faith in Kara, that Bill's faith in Laura will be pivotal to the story and their overall arcs as characters. Also, I think we need to see this continued closeness between Bill/Laura because it will be necessary for the emotional impact of when he loses her to the cancer.

On a purely shallow note, yes, Mary looked weird in the bald cap, although I think its purpose was to show Laura's trust in Tory to be seen that way. And Mary did in fact knock this one out of the park. Wow.

BTW--how did I not catch that was Nana Visitor as Emily? I mean, the voice sounded familiar, but I totally didn't place her until you said so.

::feels silly::
He's on as much of a journey as Tory, Tigh, or Tyrol.

I agree. My point, and I may have worded it badly, was that Sam will be less focused on how he must be different since he is now seeing the similarities that exist between the races and biology may not be as relevant as he feared.

yes, Mary looked weird in the bald cap, although I think its purpose was to show Laura's trust in Tory to be seen that way

I've read several other posts now and I'm thrilled to see others hated the bald cap as much as I did. We just didn't need the baldness to show Laura's trust, what Laura was saying to Tory was expressing it quite well. Actually, it scares me, knowing what we know about Tory, that Laura is putting the amount of trust in her that she is.
I agree. My point, and I may have worded it badly, was that Sam will be less focused on how he must be different since he is now seeing the similarities that exist between the races and biology may not be as relevant as he feared.

Gotcha. And totally concur.

Actually, it scares me, knowing what we know about Tory, that Laura is putting the amount of trust in her that she is.

I think it's supposed to. And the squicky bald-cap was perhaps an over-the-top way to do it (poor Mary!) but it was a bold choice and I think that's what they were trying to accomplish with it, particularly since that's the only scene where we see her sans headscarf.
Possibly. Though SciFi hasn't ruled out that the remaining eps could air on the fall.
I just loved Mary in this. Her performance was totally Emmy worthy; it's too bad it will never be considered.

I was scared when I saw the promos, but I'm glad Kara got herself together. An alliance? Gonna be interesting :)
Great review! I agree, now we know why Jamie was such a sad panda during Dragon Con, and why he had the "I haven't filmed in two weeks" beard going on.

I really liked your comments on Sam, I ranted about that in my review as well. I think he is a very black and white character being forced to see things in shades of gray and not particularly doing that well. His actions are contradicting, erratic, and ill-motivated, as if he is re-evaluating the world minute by minute.

I am wondering if this Lee-hiatus isn't really a way for us to understand what Lee means to the fleet - to Kara, to Bill, and to the military in general. Apollo is the gold standard, the example...he kept Kara sane and Bill civil. We feel utterly ill-at-ease without him, and I think Bill, at least, does as well. He mentions Lee turning in his wings again, and I think that action has really stuck with him.

I agree, up until 'Crossroads', Sam's world view was very clear-cut. Humans are good, Cylons are bad...then you find out you are one of what you consider to be the bad guys yet believe yourself to be a good person so then what? On top of that, throw in a wife coming back from the dead. He has every right to feel very confused. And it's likely he didn't want to focus too much on himself fearing what he may find so he focused on Kara and her mission instead. But, now, because of the Eight's death and feeling a positive connection to her I think he'll feel a tiny bit more at ease looking at himself and what being a Cylon means.

I also wonder how his relationship with the other three will change. They've all been through some massive changes in the past few months.
Let me also say that I felt Mary McDonnell, always outstanding, blew me away in this episode, particularly during her breakdown in front of Emily while talking about her mother.

Definitely. Laura's one of my favorite characters, but she doesn't usually get me on an emotional level like that. Mary was amazing.

It seemed to be a moment of clarity for her and she snapped back to the person, the leader, she use to be.

Yes! I loved that she went to Gaeta instead of the FTL ... thing. I love crazy-Kara too, I understand her obsession, and hey, this episode more-or-less proved she's not actually crazy, but I've missed Starbuck so much. If she can stick around for a while that'll be good.

I think I would have had less of a problem with him making that choice if it was clear he truly believed that Kara’s path was the true one,

Ah, see that was clear to me, so Sam's characterization worked. I think Leoben got through to him with his talk of how he and Kara were meant to be on the same side, and even moreso the talk of Cylon/human alliance. Because Sam desperately needs to believe in that possibility. And he's always sensed that Kara had a destiny and that he might have a part to play in it, as he told her in Taking a Break. Leoben's words played right into that, and after that we see him trying to convince the others to rescue the baseship. So I'm sure loyalty to Kara played some role in his actions, but I think his own belief/ need to believe in Leoben's words was a much stronger factor. And, while I feel terrible for poor Gaeta, if he hadn't done what he'd done right that instant, they would have jumped back to Galactica and from Sam's perspective, all hope would be lost. And as it turns out he's right. (I think that's why I liked last week's episode so much more than most; I thought Kara, Sam and Galen all went through a similar process of embracing their own transformations and accepting help from former enemies, so there was a lot going on internally, even if the plot was lacking.)

It’s the first time I’ve really looked at Sam as an enabler.

Well, true, but enabling Kara to fulfill her destiny and unite two warring races isn't like enabling a drug habit. ;) Her visions were leading her to the baseship, so it's something she needed to do. Of course, all this will be moot if she really is the evil Harbinger of Death, but I'm clinging to my denial on that one! I think there will be fallout - my hope would be for them to work out a "we don't tell dad about the mutiny, you say you were shot by a Centurian" deal, especially since Kara's instincts were validated, (and I think it still was a mutiny: Helo's reference to Adama's orders had only to do with getting back in time. If they had been successful, I'm sure he would have sided with Helo, but since Kara was proved right, it's more dodgy,) but if Gaeta loses his leg all bets are off.

(though her ‘help’ didn’t extend to stopping any of the atrocities she knew to be going on, hence my lack of sympathy) left her psychologically damaged.

Yeah, while I didn't have much sympathy for her either, it did illustrate how not-all-that-different the Cylons are.

Yes. 'End' means end-of-journey. *clings*

Edited at 2008-05-11 01:31 am (UTC)
I do see your take on Sam's actions. Maybe it's Trucco's performance, but I didn't get the impression that he was fully committed to the mission for his own reasons. And I'm also taking into consideration his history with Kara. I've complained in the past that Lee never really had his own story until 'The Son Also Rises', he was always wrapped up in Kara's drama or Adama's drama and in early Season 2, Roslin's drama. Now I think the same fate has befallen Sam. Not that he won't soon have his own story, but separating him from the other three and having him tag along with Kara postponed that possibility.

I may also be taking into consideration comments Ron made in the podcast for 'He That Believeth..." (which I still need to post the recap of). Ron said in a draft of the script we were find out that Sam had moved into her rack. That coupled with him becoming a viper pilot showed me that he was so wrapped up in her, so unable to let go, that he was attempting to move into her life.

I really like Sam so I hope the mini epiphany he had with the Eight sets something in motion with him and he starts acting of his own accord regardless of what Kara or the other three desire. Tory certainly seems to be working from her own agenda.

all this will be moot if she really is the evil Harbinger of Death, but I'm clinging to my denial on that one!

I think we can safely believe that Kara Thrace will not bring about the obliteration of the rest of humanity. I'm actually growing tired of the hybrid's prophecies because it's becoming quite obvious that Ron thinks he's being clever in getting us to believe one thing when, in fact, most of us know all the words have double meanings.

Yes, it was a mutiny, but, as I said to Indigo last night, I think there was justification for it. Just as a feel there was justification for Lee's mutiny in Season 1. Granted, Lee's might have been more justified since Adama was also breaking the law and leading a coup, but Helo and the others had legitimate concerns as to Kara's decision making and could argue they had an order from the admiral to return to the fleet. I am curious as to how they will deal with Gaeta's shooting. Sam could have shot over his head as a warning before shooting him.
Truly enjoyed reading your review. :)

As usual, I agree just about everything you've said here. It was Kara's best moment this season when she took care of wounded Gaeta first...

I also agree with you on Rolsin's fake looking bald head. It was obvious MM's real hair was under that prosthetic makeup. At first I thought it was very distracting. But then kudos to MM's acting that Roslin's break-down in front of Tori was so intense that I forgot about everything else...

I thought it was a bit of a contrast that while Roslin ponders death, and after life, the cylons were turning on each other and killing each other. Even though intellectually Natalie and Sharon understood they wouldn't get to come back when they die, it feels to me that they didn't quite comprehend what death means, that it's more than just a simple cease to exist...

Anyway, I haven't thought too much about this. I was getting a little bitter because I sorely missed Lee! Two weeks in a roll -- I can't help it, I'm having a hard time being excited about next week's episode.

The most excitement I had last night was while chatting with my friend during the show, they convinced me to go to Dragon Con this year. So, I booked a hotel room in Atlanta. :)
I thought it was a bit of a contrast that while Roslin ponders death, and after life, the cylons were turning on each other and killing each other. Even though intellectually Natalie and Sharon understood they wouldn't get to come back when they die, it feels to me that they didn't quite comprehend what death means, that it's more than just a simple cease to exist...

I think I commented to someone above (too lazy to check ;) that I feel some of the Cylon models feel there is an afterlife, while others don't. Leoben seems to believe there is something more. He's never feared death, permanent death. The Eight model seemed scared, but the Six model not as much. Was it because nothingness seemed better to her than living with the nightmares of what happened to her on New Caprica? Or was it because she felt a better afterlife could be awaiting her?

The most excitement I had last night was while chatting with my friend during the show, they convinced me to go to Dragon Con this year. So, I booked a hotel room in Atlanta. :)

EEEEEEEEE!!! EEEEEEEE!!! That is FABULOUS news! :) What hotel are you staying at? danceswithwords and I are at the Marriott. We'll need to plan a Bamber movie/TV viewing of some sort.

Edited at 2008-05-11 02:22 pm (UTC)
I think I commented to someone above (too lazy to check...

Gotta go back and read all the comments then. ;) But before I do, here's what I thought:

I admit I find it a bit odd that Cylons like Leoban believes an afterlife. Though I think you were right based on what Leoban said to Kara regarding "death" in Maelstrom.

But I'm baffled by why would they? To the Cylons, the "afterlife" is "download" -- they are made to "reborn" after they "die".

I remember when I watched Maelstrom, when Leoban told Kara that death is a "beautiful" thing, that she shouldn't fear it, I was thinking of course he would think that way! His experience with "death" is entirely different from Human's.

I also think that on some level, the idea of "cease to exist" must be attractive to these sentient Cylons. I mean "eternity" can be such a drag sometimes.

What hotel are you staying at? danceswithwords and I are at the Marriott. We'll need to plan a Bamber movie/TV viewing of some sort.

Lucky you! By the time I book the hotel on Friday night, Marriott was COMPLETELY booked! The only room I can afford at this point is Baymont Inn & Suites near by (Ritz Carlton is $399 a night!). Count me in on a Bamber movie/TV viewing with you guys! *g*
WOW to the Ritz Carlton price. It's not so much luck that we are at the Marriott, it's that we reserved a room back in November. ;) I was looking at the DC site the other day and the Walk of Fame will be at the Marriott again this year and the Dealer room is moving back. Woo!
Ha! Yet another proof it pays to get things done in advance! ;)

With Marriott being the central venue for the Con, I'm willing to bet Jamie will be staying in the same hotel. That's it -- I'm counting on you and/or danceswithwords to get up early in the morning and hit the gym for some JB spotting -- I read he likes to workout at the start of the day. ;)

I've heard from laurie31 that some of very cool and funny Bamber Bunnies are going to the Con as well. :)

By the way, I booked the ticket for Atlanta the other day. I'm going to fly with AA. Providing their planes don't get grounded again, I'll be arriving on Thursday afternoon... :b
And unlike last week, I felt that the A storyline (Kara’s) and the B Storyline (Laura’s) paralleled each other then converged much more successfully. Both women were confronted with some painful truths, but both have the faith to go on.

I completely agree with this. This episode felt much more cohesive than last week. When the story is all fragmented, I find it difficult to be happy with it, even if I find the various pieces interesting.

Sam, you poor, pathetic, messed up bastard.

He is, isn't he? He has no clue who he is anymore. All he knows is that he belongs with Kara. Kara is his guiding light. And it may be because he truly believes in her quest or it may be that she is the one thing he feels he can hold onto. Either way, he's as screwed up as the rest of the final four.
When the story is all fragmented, I find it difficult to be happy with it, even if I find the various pieces interesting.

Me too. Nearly every episode I'm able to find some good things about, but if the parts don't equal a satisfying whole I am disappointed. And it's especially frustrating if you know what the series is capable of.

And it may be because he truly believes in her quest or it may be that she is the one thing he feels he can hold onto.

He was pretty focused on Kara before her 'death', but since her return, after discovering he's a Cylon, I think he's even more focused on her. His love for her is the one thing that hasn't changed and he needs her to bring some sense of normalcy to his life. I'm hopeful that his mini epiphany with the dying Eight might set him on the path to make his own choices rather than just following Kara because it's Kara or following Tigh's orders because he believes he's the only one who knows best as to how the four should lead their lives.
I've still not seen this episode yet, and I'm running on five hours sleep after a weekend in France - but I'm feeling very grumbly that Lee's storyline doesn't feel so much like Lee's storyline, and a lot more like he's character number 3 in the Laura and Kara storylines. I was hoping with S4 we'd get something that's about him, but instead it seems to be about other people. Again.
Jamie confirmed in an interview at the Emerald City ComicCon that he does have less screentime this season, but he also mentioned he had some good stuff coming up, particularly in the mid-season cliffhanger. I shall remain hopeful.
I totally agree with you about Mary McDonnell. When she started that speech I...didn't roll my eyes because she's Mary McDonnell and I was glad that she was gracing my screen with her presence, but I did think, "Ah, okay, this is the big 'emotional speech' where she'll start crying. There always has to be one of those." But...she got me anyway. She was superb.

I'm sorry that the Emily situation was...not done well. It's not something I have any personal experience of, but I'm sorry that they were irresponsible and that it caused you any distress. (((Asta)))

I loved Sam in this episode, though I agree shooting Gaeta was just...stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid. His characterisation is very messy, but I think you're right and that is the point. I don't think Sam knows what the hell he's doing, he's just scared and desperate to hang onto Kara and for Kara to tell him it's all okay, and to assert his humanity. Like with Barolay - he wasn't just freaking out because she was dead (though I know they were close), it's what he said: he can't forget New Caprica. He can't let it go - like the Six. Something has to be done and there comes a time when you don't get a choice about doing it. I think he felt the same way when he shot Gaeta. Out of options. I don't know it's...messy like you say.

I also miss Lee. I mean, seriously, we finally get him ONTO Colonial One in time for Laura to spend all her time OFF Colonial One. OY!
I mean, seriously, we finally get him ONTO Colonial One in time for Laura to spend all her time OFF Colonial One.

Oh, Irony! ::weeps::
It’s fascinating that a woman who has so much faith that it is her destiny to save the remnants of humanity, fears dying because she has no faith that there is anything but darkness when the end comes.
Yeah, that IS fascinating and I think it's the main reason I was able to really get into those scenes despite the cheesy TV-movie aspect to them.

To me it was the typical TV/movie death that bares little to no resemblance to the reality of such a death and I expect more from a show that touts its realism whenever it can
*nod nods* I think that's a really respectable position and I agree that those scenes followed a very typical and disappointingly unrealistic model. You have every right to be pissed off. I think I was just clinging to any scene in this episode in which I could feel remotely emotionally connected to a character and Mary McDonnell totally blew me away.