Asta 2

House of Anger

Not so much a pun, but the state of Asta's abode this evening. :p



I both loved and hated this episode. Let's start with the hate. I called my mother about 30 seconds after the episode ended. Turns out she was heading for the phone. Ah, great minds. We both agreed that Vogler and Chase are assholes amongst other things, but I like to keep my LJ clean. We then debated which of the two was worse. She has issues, rightly so, with how Vogler is being written in the role of hospital chair. It doesn't matter how much money you give, no way could he saunter into a patients room, flip through their chart, all the time playing mind games with the staff. Forget about why they are there for, it's much more fun pitting everyone against each other. Does the guy still have a wife? Because he seems to get off just fine manipulating everybody.

After contemplating this a bit, I have to say as much as I hate/loathe/despise/wish to eviscerate Vogler and I'll be raising a glass of whatever liquor I have on hand to toast his departure (and please let it be of House's doing), I think I'm actually more pissed off at Chase. As horrible a human being as Vogler is, at least you know what you are getting with him. He's in your face and loving it. Chase, on the other hand, is playing the rat to the big cheese, stabbing everyone in the back in some pathetic attempt to save his job. Combine this with his repulsive behavior towards his patient and her mother he seems to have completly lost sight of why he is there. As Foreman put it so well "he wants the job, but doesn't appreciate it".

Now, I'm left to look back and try to find out at what point Chase became the person he is right now. Or I wonder if there were clear signs of this coming. My mother thought Cahse was rather blah at the beginning of the series, perhaps this is the writers way of giving the character more depth by giving him less character. At some point I'm sure House will discover Chase's duplicity and he and the others will make his life hell well into next season. After all, firing him would be too easy, they need to make him suffer. (On a side note, I wonder if Foreman picked up on Chase calling Vogler "Boss". House would be his immediate superior and Vogler was making a show of introducing himself to House's underlings, supposedly for the first time. For me, it was a tell.)

What I did love about the episode was that, sorry folks, I was given some reasons to warm to the idea of Cameron and House being more than what they are now. To start with, she seems to have found that backbone she misplaced. It was more of a hammer than an anvil, but it's clear that their conversations had little to do with Cameron's work performance and a lot to do with feelings she expressed and he hasn't. "It figures you'd stall and refuse to deal with the issue. The problem is the world doesn't work that way just because you want it to." As Benedick said in 'Much Ado about Nothing' - I think there is a double meaning in that. ;)

House is stalling on who to fire. He cares for Cameron, but is that a reason to keep her or get rid of her? If she's out of sight, then perhaps out of mind and he can avoid dealing with any messy feelings he has for her. At the same time, is the isolation starting to take it's toll on House? One zinger Cameron threw at him that, damn, even I didn't pick up on (I blame my anger issues ;) was that if he was confidant that his daignosis was correct "Then why aren't you watching TV or playing your damn Game Boy or whatever else you have so much fun doing by yourself." The look he gives her off that shows she has an understands of him and thus far I've only seen one other person have that kind of understanding, Wilson. (Side note the second, my mother commented on the importance of Robert Sean Leonard to the show, how Wilson's relationship with House adds so much to the story, and that they really needed to find a way to utilize him more. At that point, I tried to explain the segment fandom that saw a lot more than friendship between them at which point I got the "I didn't meant that way!" and we moved on. ;)

Two other things I found of interest.....it was telling that House asked both Cameron and Foreman for their opinions as to who to let go (and while Cameron was predictable in finding a solution where no one gets hurt, hey, it was a good idea), Chase's opinion was never asked for. Not exactly a surprise since House probably knew as well as I that he'd pick Cameron, but it also showed a lack of trust in his judgement. Those trust issues may have been the logical reason to give him the boot.

The other thing I took note of is when House is discussing happiness with Wilson and Wilson pointedly states that he's happy...with his job. Huh. Trouble with wife number 3?

All and all I found this to be an average episode which still makes it vastly superior to most of the dreck on the air. Some good (and bad) character moments, but the girls illness was rather uninteresting and Vogler's antics were proposterous. And what the hell happened to Cuddy? Did Cameron steal the backbone from her?
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I am soooo waiting for House to show Vogler the front door. At the end of the ep I was rather disappointed to see House so resigned to his current position. Now, I choose to believe he's plotting. ;-)
I hope house is planning and will fight to keep the other two. It looks like next week's ep might be a repeat (Argh!).
At the end of the episode I also thought, "when did the hospital get infected with asses?" I would agree about the power Vogler has. I don't care how much money you donate, how does he have the abiltiy to exert this much power over everyone and make the decesions he does?

I really hated Chase this episode. I really didn't see it coming so I can't tell if it has always been there or what. He was so hateful but at the same time at least it gives him some dimension.

I actually can't stand Cameron. I think I'm the only one who does but even if I do agree she's standing up for herself more, I hate that she has to constantly bring things up. We get that it's hard being you, we get that you have a crush on House. I really don't think that, even if House likes her back, that constantly asking him about it is going to get him to admit his feelings. At this point I'm perfectly fine with House not being involved with anyone. I don't need to have a ship on everything I watch. :)

Boy I sound like I don't like anyone on the show which is not the case.
I actually can't stand Cameron. I think I'm the only one who does but even if I do agree she's standing up for herself more, I hate that she has to constantly bring things up.

Well, from what I've seen on LJ, rest assured you are not the only one who hates Cameron. ;) I have to admit, I do like her. However, that doesn't mean I like all of her behavior. When she initally confronted House with her feelings I felt she did so in a very silly manner. The way she dealt with the issue tonight I was Ok with, perhaps because she articulated her views better as well as showing a good understanding of him. I'm not chomping at the bit for a ship to come sailing in, but if it happens I'm starting to see why.
perhaps this is the writers way of giving the character more depth by giving him less character. At

This is the best way I could ever think of putting this, and thank you for saying it like this so that I can now nod intelligently and agree *nods intelligently and agrees* Chase is very frustrating for me, because I both love and hate the character, and what the writers are doing to the character. My main issue with it is that there really is no build up to this dramatic shift - from Chase being the "good boy/smart boy" to him being the "bitch/rat".

As for Cameron and House, well, while I appreciate some of her zingers (the line you quoted was awesome), I still can't really get behind a relationship for the two of them. Mainly because I think House would run over Cameron, and she would take work things very personally and personal things very, erm, "worky", and that would lead to trouble.

Either way, your comments about you and your mom discussing this make me smile.
My main issue with it is that there really is no build up to this dramatic shift - from Chase being the "good boy/smart boy" to him being the "bitch/rat".

I'm just glad others are saying that they didn't see a build up to this either. I was beginning to believe I missed something. I've actually wondered if Chase's father blowing into town may have something to do with this change, but then I think I'm grasping at a cliche.

Mainly because I think House would run over Cameron, and she would take work things very personally and personal things very, erm, "worky", and that would lead to trouble.

While I'm beginning to see she has a greater understanding of House then I would have given her credit for, it still seems somewhat romanticized. The reality of a relationship with him could leave her emotionally trampled, even if he doesn't mean to do so. And could you see him refraining from making comments about their sex life at work? I couldn't.

Either way, your comments about you and your mom discussing this make me smile.

Awww, thanks. :) I had no idea until tonight how successful I was in indoctrinating her into the fandom. ;-)
As cliche as it is, maybe Chase's father does have an effect on things... I wouldn't put it past the writers to use that as some sort of catalyst, though they could have made it a bit more obvious.

And could you see him refraining from making comments about their sex life at work? I couldn't.
No, I couldn't. In fact, I think House would almost have to "dum down" or "soften" his wit and ascerbic attitude to make anything work with Cameron at this point, and that (for me at least) would really make me dislike the character.

And congrats on your successful familial indoctrination!
Thanks for reminding me how much I liked the interaction between Cameron and House. Also, Foreman interests me greatly. I keep remembering how he knows and resents that he has a surprising amount in common with House.

Wilson and House always have good scenes together even when they're such a small part of the episode.

I warm to Foreman more each week. I appreciated the fact that he chose to maintain a united front with Cameron instead of resorting to playing games as Chase did. And that no matter the personal problems he's had with House, he still can admit he respects him.
warm to Foreman more each week. I appreciated the fact that he chose to maintain a united front with Cameron instead of resorting to playing games as Chase did. And that no matter the personal problems he's had with House, he still can admit he respects him. Nods. My admiration of him is growing by leaps and bounds.
That's a great look at Chase's sudden-depth-in-lieu-of-character development. I think the writing of "arcs" is beyond the writers' grasp, personally, which is why some of tonight's plot lines felt incredibly weird and off for me. Let's hope there will be some explaining to follow; House must know that Chase is the rat now that Vogler refused to have him fired.

And I was hoping this will be the ep in which Cameron gets to redeem herself in my eyes, but they just totally ruined her for me. Won't natter on about it in your LJ, but the way women are written on this show is really bugging me.

I liked the girl's performance, though. She was pretty amazing in that role, even if her illness felt a little dull compared to the fireworks we had early in the season.

You told your mom about slash?! Wow. I'm... speechless. ;-)
I watched the last ten or fifteen minutes of the ep again last night. I was initially disappointed with House's non-reactin to Vogler's bullying, but then on a second viewing I noticed little things such as the close up of House tossing his briefcase on the couch and the look he gave Vogler when he announced he couldn't fire Chase. Perhaps I'm rationalizing or reading more into what is there, but House's silence may just be his way of not tipping his hand. Considering how quickly he's able to draw conclusions in life and death situations, I can't fathom him not knowing what it is up including having some insight as to why Vogler is acting as he does.

but the way women are written on this show is really bugging me.

I feel the same way. I actually had much less of a problems with Cameron's action's last night, but that's not to say I think they are doing a brilliant job writing her. And Cuddy? I don't know what the hell they are doing there. Cameron has always exhibited weakness, Cuddy has always been strong not willing to take crap from anybody. Now, we see her stand idly by while Vogler dismantles her staff and undermines her authority. Just last week she told House her job was safe for at least six months, so why the sudden cowardice?

You told your mom about slash?! Wow. I'm... speechless. ;-)

Hee. The woman is pretty opne-minded. I didn't actually use the term slash because it would take to long to explain. :p But, yeah, she got the idea of what I was talking about. ;)
While this is my second ep to watch, and due to a VCR mishap I caught 85% of this (but in 2 seperate chunks, While watching Scrubs and The Office, the tape ran out while recording so I quickly watched most of the end live, then did a rewind the tape to watch most of the beginning).

But two things became clear to me, first Vogler wants House to fire Cameron. The way he approached and spoke to her is giving her a resign option, while he puts the squeeze on House to choose between Foreman and Cameron. Perhaps Vogler has plans for Cameron, or perhaps he just wants her out.

But the other interesting thing is, Vogler said he understood or knew about House, but he didn't know his team. This could all be a way of seeing what the team members are made up of, so he has the skinny (sorry bad pun for this ep) on each of them. Test them, push their buttons, see how they react, and determine how to use them.

And since I started it last week, its another segment of Continuity Cop. After the 10 year old goes violent the group is back in the planning room, and House is writing a new symptom on the board to the top right. He then circles it. Again more dialogue and reaction shots and return to House where you see the board and the item is there but not circled. Later in the ep its circled again.

Anyway, my 2 cents worth.

Raoul
But two things became clear to me, first Vogler wants House to fire Cameron. The way he approached and spoke to her is giving her a resign option, while he puts the squeeze on House to choose between Foreman and Cameron. Perhaps Vogler has plans for Cameron, or perhaps he just wants her out.

I'm not so sure he wants Cameron gone. Given that he believes House has a "thing" for her, he probably thinks that that would be the harder choice for House to make, thus making House squirm becomes even more enjoyable for him. However, I think it all just comes down to power and a desire to show he has it and House doesn't. He's a manipulative bastard that gets off on having others bend to his will. Vogler made it clear to Chase that his job wasn't safe even with the spying he'd been doing for him. Had House said Cameron's name, I think Vogler would have had the same reaction and made him choose again just because he can.

But the other interesting thing is, Vogler said he understood or knew about House, but he didn't know his team. This could all be a way of seeing what the team members are made up of, so he has the skinny (sorry bad pun for this ep) on each of them. Test them, push their buttons, see how they react, and determine how to use them.

I agree and that seemed pretty obvious - Vogler doesn't know the meaning of the word subtle. The thing he doesn't know is that Cameron and Foreman won't be used. Cameron is willing to walk for a variety of reasons. And while Foreman may hate House's personality, he respects the doctor he is and won't undermine that.
I understand the whole Vogler power issue, but I think he wants Cameron out more than to upset House (if they are the same effect, that is icing on the cake). BUT I still wonder if Vogler does not have plans for Cameron, maybe as a technical advisor or heck even to replace Cuppy (I think that is her name, the almost boss lady).

If the show is as well crafted as all the fans say (again this is more an insider looking in) then these characters have layers. And maybe there are actual deeper meanings to characters actions than have been revealed. I know in some of my favorites, characters that were revealed in the beginning that everyone thought were true blue, turned out to be less than honorable; and others that you were sure where they were coming from as being without scruples, ended up being the only ones with honor.

My only other comment is that the two eps I've seen so far, remind me of the first season of Survivor. Scheming, alliances, everyone out for themselves.. Is that how the show is normally, with the only cohesion the concern for the patients?

Raoul
And maybe there are actual deeper meanings to characters actions than have been revealed.

Hee. You are new to the show! Whether we are correct or not I think we pretty much come up with a double meaning for *everything*. And, btw, it's Cuddy though considering how little she was in the ep, I can understand the mix up.

Considering how smarmy Vogler was towards Cameron, there's only one plan I can contemplate Vogler having for her and I so don't want to think about that. ::shudders::

Scheming, alliances, everyone out for themselves.. Is that how the show is normally, with the only cohesion the concern for the patients?

I'd say no. The consensus seems to be this ep had the poorest writing of any episode to date. And Chase's behavior and scheming seemingly came out nowhere. All of them have had their run-ins with House, but nothing that would warrant this kind of betrayal - especially from someone who stated he liked House not too long ago. The focus of the show thus far has been on the core characters with the case of the week often providing a catalyst to new layers being revelaed.
So give Volger a long black mustache that he can twirl already. That's all he's missing. I hate his guts and hate him with a finger in every department, don't care how much money he donated to the hospital. Does this kind of thing really happen in the medical world? I doubt it. His behavior is really unbelievable. Chase is a weasel. Have no idea when he first showed his true weasel colors, but he's a true weasel none the less. House, IMO knows he's the one that gave him away about the bulimia patient and her pills. He's just biding his time. House would be a good poker player. I like Foreman more each week, and this was hard because when first started watching I kept saying he looked just like Alan Keyes the politician and never heard anything he said. LOL
It’s only now that I dislike Chase so much (I don’t hate him yet and still hope he can reform) that I can separate him from his former character of Billy from Neighbours (yes, I’m a Brit. I used to be hooked on Neighbours!) This though does help me to have an opinion of Chase and not of Billy-all-grown-up. I think that looking back, his attitude to his father did imply a not so nice side to his character. It’s just all coming out now. I also noticed him call Vogler Boss and thought “ooh, that’s a slip-up.” In Foreman’s being like House, he will almost certainly have picked that up, but like House, will probably have stored it up in case it ever becomes significant.

I think it’s clear to House now that Vogler wants Chase to stay cause he’s spying for Vogler. I do wonder why Chase is doing it though. Is it just fear for his job? He’d be probably gone by now if that was the case. He’s been acting arsey for a couple of weeks, or ever since the cock-up with the angiogram. But Vogler (the git) did say that even his job isn’t safe. He’s definitely being very manipulated, and quite possibly being so weak as to let it happen.

One comment that no-one has made about Foreman’s desire to stay is that it has already been made perfectly clear in the ep with the Jazz musician, where he was invited to go to California and he chose to stay. He doesn’t like House very much but as everyone else has been saying, he respects his work greatly and doesn’t want to leave the department. I really liked his character this week. He’s interesting. And rather wise it seems.

As for the Cameron-House thing, I also am beginning to warm to admissions of attraction between the two of them. He isn’t hiding his fondness of her so well anymore. I do think though that nothing would happen at least for a long while.

There was a very interesting development in House’s character this week - he actually took Cameron’s solution to Vogler! I think it was as much to test Vogler as it was a solution but it did seem that he didn’t want to have to choose to let anyone go. House cares!