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TV Recap And One You'll Be Surprised About

Nothing to say about Eyes other than I enjoyed it and I really wish House had thought about hiring Harlan Judd to get rid of Vogler weeks ago. ;)

I also enjoyed Alias though, once again, I felt the show's momentum came to a screeching hault during the Nadia scenes.
Arvine Clone! HA!

The Rambaldi room. I really wish my memory was better so I could have identified everything there.

That final scene with the real Sloane, ok, now THAT was disturbing. Arvin's done some truly horrible things but I don't recall ever seeing him that visceral or hands on or taking so much pleasure from it before. Good, now we can blame Syd for unleashing the monster again.

The surprise recap is Veronica Mars. Because my dear friend writteninstars went ga-ga over it this past weekend I decided to give it one more try. I can't say I didn't enjoy parts of it. I also can't say that I fell in love with it. During one scene, I even found myself disturbed. Before anyone points out I can't appreciate it because I've missed numerous episodes, please don't. I've fallen in love with shows (Buffy being the prime example) previously having missed a vast number of episodes. As long as I know the basic storyline, I'm fine. And...I was going to say more on that subject but considering the mood I'm in, it's probably best to refrain.



I liked the Veronica/Logan scenes and they seem to have a very nice chemistry. Plus, I do enjoy a good forbidden relationship. ;)

So, Veronica was dating a sheriff's deputy? Isn't she like 17? And while he was cute he seemed, well, not too bright. Though very forgiving after her admission that she just made out with her dead best friend's boyfriend who she hates. I wouldn't be so mature and self-possesed in that situation and I'm 33.

Pa Mars is taking hair samples for, I'm guessing, DNA tests which may or mat not show that Veronica and Duncan are sibs. That was being speculated about the last time I watched an ep. Now, if Duncan were to be Lily's killer that means she could possibly be sending her half brother ex-boyfriend away for the murder of her best friend/sister once removed? Paging Dr Phil...

OK, I'm going to say it. I always thought AH was overrated on Buffy. Seeing her here I'm more convinced than ever. The girl better hope to luck into another series.

In the last episode I recall watching Logan's Dad was beating Logan with a belt while his mother sat in another room downing a drink. Maybe not so dear old dad has changed. However, I found the scene where he exacts revenge on his daughter's abuser bizzare and off-putting. He, himself, beat his son (thus continuing a cycle of family violence), but apparently has the 'No one else touches my kids!' mentality. What really left me perplexed though was Veronica and Logan's reaction to his violence and that the writers cap it with a joke - 'How was school?' Maybe it was just me, but I felt as if we were to applaud what he did to that guy. And maybe because I know people who were emotionally/physically/sexually abused I found it distasteful and insulting.

'House' is a repeat next week so I might tune in again. But, yeah, that's all the enthusiasm I can muster.
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I was extremely squicked by her relationship with Leo, and I'm guessing I wasn't alone, since last week there was a mention about them actually only being 2 years apart. Not sure how that's actually possible, but whatever. I'm still a little unsure of the power dynamics there...feels wrong. I did crack up when she went right into favor mode after dumping him...with all the Buffy comparisons this show brings about...all I could think about was how she would've been ripped apart in fandom for being so insensitive if she'd pulled something like that.

As for the Harry Hamlin beating...I think it's okay that you were disturbed. There was a macabre humor to it, but still, I don't think we're supposed to forget what a bastard he is.

Not enough Word for how bad AH was. I was never really impressed by her, but man, her acting skills have totally atrophied in the last few years.
I try not to make Buffy comparisons because it annoys the hell out of me (blonde and quippy do not two similar shows make), but you make a good point. I doubt anyone is calling Veronica a two-timing uber bitch for what she did.

I was never really impressed by her, but man, her acting skills have totally atrophied in the last few years.

Either she can't act and is just reasonably well suited for one particualr type of role and lucked out landing Willow or she's under the mistaken assumption that she can just coast through her other roles and not even attempt to vary her performance. Sarah, Amber, or Emma could have done so much more with that character.
"I doubt anyone is calling Veronica a two-timing uber bitch for what she did."

Not yet, but they're setting up to call her an uber bitch for breaking Logan's heart (which it's just assumed she'll do). Yes, Logan has been woobified, not unlike Spike. The fact that he was a total waste for the first, say, third of the season has been forgotten.
Which is interesting to me in that I think it's incredibly clear that Veronica's putting more into this relationship than Logan is. Seriously, she's the one who wants to know what it means, who immediately goes to dump her boyfriend...and even though she wants to keep it secret...it's because she thinks there's actually something there that's worth keeping a secret. Logan appeared to have no interest in defining what they were doing...his whole vibe was "Yeah, whatever, can we get back to kissing now?", so I'm really not sure where this whole protectiveness over him is coming from, when to me it looks like Veronica's the one in the most danger of getting her heart broken.
Logan appeared to have no interest in defining what they were doing...his whole vibe was "Yeah, whatever, can we get back to kissing now?", so I'm really not sure where this whole protectiveness over him is coming from, when to me it looks like Veronica's the one in the most danger of getting her heart broken.

They both seem to be leaping into something without thinking much about it. I found it interesting that she tells Leo that she just made out with a guy she *hates* and didn't seem to consider it a big deal. For better and worse, at least Buffy questioned the reasons behind her relationship with Spike and what her motivations were.
Logan's a MAN in PAIN OMG!!!!!!

And, yeah, he was (up until very recently) abused, which is very bad and an explanation, NOT an excuse, for his behavior.

Veronica's almost a life-raft for him, which is not healthy, and not her duty.

Yes, Logan has been woobified, not unlike Spike. The fact that he was a total waste for the first, say, third of the season has been forgotten.

I know I've missed a lot of episodes and it's infair for me to judge, but Logan was a complete (and violent) asshole the last time I saw him and now he and Veronica seem like best buds. It's not that I can't accept the change, Spike went from villian to saving the world, but that was over the course of five seasons.
Most of it happened when Logan's Mom killed herself. There wasn't a body, and Logan refused to accept it. He went to Veronica for help finding her, and they bonded a bit. It's been increasing.

So, yeah, maybe a bit of an epiphany for him, but I'm not seeing any regret for his past behavior.
First of all, I think I might offer DVDs to those who want to catch up on VM, so if I do, you're welcome to them.

The beating scene was meant to be disturbing, especially since it's part-and-parcel of the totally fucked-up Echolls family dynamic. I really think Aaron (the dad) is being set up to be revealed as Lilly's killer, and his violent tendencies are part of that. Rob Thomas tends not to do stuff like that without repercussions or a deeper meaning, knock on wood. Aaron's joking struck me as him not seeing anything wrong with what he's done, but then he's been shown to be totally amoral. And Veronica *did* look appalled by it; she's only starting to realize how screwed up that family is. As she says in one of the earlier episodes, Neptune's families are all about putting on frills to hide their dirty secrets.

Oh, and Deputy Leo is, according to last week, 29 months older than Veronica. So, the age gap isn't TOO huge, but it was an issue. ;)
Oh, and Deputy Leo is, according to last week, 29 months older than Veronica. So, the age gap isn't TOO huge, but it was an issue. ;)

The deputy sheriif is 19, possibly 20? OK, that scares me more than the dating.
That's probably a factual error on the part of the production staff because I did a little research on it after a discussion about his age and found out that a deputy sheriff has to be at least 21 (because he/she carries a gun). However, I also found out that in San Diego (where they film) deputy training consists of a 14 week course. That's it. I'm scared for y'all over there, because it seems to be generally adopted too. ;-)

Not only do I think we were supposed to see Aaron as disturbing in that clip, I think we're also meant to see some of Logan's issues. He seemed almost pleased that his father had done that and that's just not a healthy reaction.
However, I also found out that in San Diego (where they film) deputy training consists of a 14 week course. That's it. I'm scared for y'all over there, because it seems to be generally adopted too. ;-)

Do you want to hear about how the chief of police in the city I grew up with didn't have a gun permit?

Not only do I think we were supposed to see Aaron as disturbing in that clip, I think we're also meant to see some of Logan's issues. He seemed almost pleased that his father had done that and that's just not a healthy reaction.

I definitely saw Aaron as disturbing, but I failed to pick up on the intricacies of Logan's reaction. Between the hormones and the drugs I wasn't paying close attention. Maybe I'll take a look at the ep again this weekend, or at least that bit. If I was Veronica, I be a bit more fearful as to if and when Logan could show his violent streak again.
Man, I'm so happy you watched it again even if you aren't in love with it yet. I'm not sure why I went totally berserk over it, but as you know, I did. I fell hook, line and sinker.

Aaron Echolls is seriously disturbed and it's just like Wisteria says, we're supposed to be appalled by his behavior because he thinks nothing of it. He imagines he's a stellar dad looking out for his little girl. And Logan? Well, he also has a propensity for violence which is, of course, because of his heinous father. And according to Miranda, he's an asshole, but an asshole in the midst of a redemption arc. This just doesn't bode well for our scrappy heroine, but who loves angsty, forbidden, crazy love more than Spuffy fans?

I have more to say about this topic (in fact, it's all I can talk about these days), but brain tired and sleepy. More talk tomorrow, yo.

Also? We'll be hanging out like two days after the finale! Can you imagine what I'll be talking about? ::taunts you::
Also? We'll be hanging out like two days after the finale! Can you imagine what I'll be talking about? ::taunts you::

Turnabaout is fair play. House? Battlestar Galactica? You're choice, but you're watching one of them. :p
Deputy Leo? Has one facial expression and diction that makes me want to cry or continually say WTH? to the screen. I'm glad she was honest with him, though.

Yeah. Maybe had they gotten someone who, lets say, could act then I wouldn't have been wondering after 30 seconds when this guy was going to get the boot.

And I agree that Veronica completely uses people. It's something that has to be addressed because even though it's supposed to be "charming", it's really manipulative and upseting. The only person she doesn't use? Logan.

From the ending and from the preview for next week it looked like they were showing that, perhaps, Weevil has been using her. I'd kinda like seeing Ms Smartypants being one uped. ;) Of course, maybe Logan killed Lily in a violent rage and then Veronica will have a real surprise coming to her! :O (Yes, I'm evvvvviiiiillll. :)

I like the poor, sweet, doggie-esque Sherrif's Deputy. He's been everything he could be - nice, sweet, cute...does every favor asked of him...and now he's gotten dumped. Poor Leo. I just want to scratch him behind his ears and tickle his belly!
I like the poor, sweet, doggie-esque Sherrif's Deputy.

Which means he was just the guy to take on the dog pound! ;-)
Missed Alias (cept the end with Slone's (sp) smiling face); but one more time the 'eyes" have it. I really like this show, and over at eyes_tv I have been doing reviews and top 10 favorite quotes. Last night I gave up after 5 quotes, haven't done a review of last night's ep and watched the show.

It was a combination of too many quotes, a very fast story line that was involving more detail than one could focus on typing (three separate subplots), and the fumes from the ant exterminator spray (apartment was treated yesterday) were making me 'distracted'. NOT to Mention my cable modem stopped working at 11:30 as I was paying bills!

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I don't know what the world is coming to, because at this point in the Alias season I'm extremely relieved that they're bringing on the Rambaldi (!) because it's giving the show a kick in the pants pacing-wise. Also, it took me about ten minutes to figure out that the actor who played Arvin Clone (hee!) was Doc.

However, I found the scene where he exacts revenge on his daughter's abuser bizzare and off-putting.

I agree with other comments that it was supposed to be. One of the underlying creepy things about Aaron Echolls is his "circle the wagons" attitude towards family, and the fact that he views the violence he perpetrates on Logan as for Logan's own good in a way that's probably internally consistent (in his fucked-up worldview) with the beatdown he administered to Trina's boyfriend--it's all about taking care of his family. Since Logan has had no compunction about getting violent himself when he felt justified, that's a big warning sign. I like Veronica/Logan for the chemistry and the angst, but I think it's headed for tears--and not because Veronica is going to use Logan.

OK, I'm going to say it. I always thought AH was overrated on Buffy. Seeing her here I'm more convinced than ever. The girl better hope to luck into another series.

I didn't have much of an opinion of AH before this--liked her early work on Buffy a lot, felt pretty blah about it by S5 (but had a hard time telling if that was because of AH or my increasing indifference to Willow)--but it really does seem like she's a one-trick pony. She's doing the same Willowesque breathy baby-voice and hesitant body language for Trina and it doesn't work at all for the character. It's especially not pretty when she's working with people like Jason Dohring and Kristen Bell, who can act circles around her.
but it really does seem like she's a one-trick pony. She's doing the same Willowesque breathy baby-voice and hesitant body language for Trina and it doesn't work at all for the character.

AH doesn't have a huge body of work, but I've seen her in enough projects outside Buffy to realize that she doesn't atcually act. All her roles are just minor variations on a persona she's created. At least on Buffy I saw Willow. Now, all I see is Aly and wonder if she needs a decongestant. :p

I make no excuses for the writers, but if you look at the role Nadia is forced to fill on Alias:
1. she has to be the naive one. we will no longer buy sydney being naive. or hopeful necessarily. she's become too much like her father. nadia allows for that "follow the heart" at all costs element. have you noticed sydney has gotten rather hard?
2. nadia is also a humanizing element for sloan. one of the things they teach you in fiction writing 101 is the easiest way to get the audience to love one of your characters is to create a character who already loves him/her. even is he/she's a bastard/bitch. it's an old trick--not that it works particularly well in this case; but consider that last scene with sloan covered in blood and nadia's horror. that wouldn't have been nearly as powerful if we thought he was a monster all along (which you may have done. still, i think nadia had a real humanizing influence on his character and on the audience's perception of his character). before that bloody scene, even though i thought he was still up to something, i believed he was capable of redemption. i did not belive that he was capable of killing irena. now i think he's a bit insane.

so i think mia maestro is an amazing actress. she's just given this milque toast role to perform. she could be so spicy, and all she gets to do is her glassy round-eyed tearful apologies.

i'm blabbing. i just like nadia and appreciate what she's doing--even though she does take the fire out of a plot line.

also re: vm, ah was bad, no lie. it's too bad, too. i liked willow.
But, why do we have to humanize Sloane? I liked him when he was simply an evil genius treasonous murdering bastard who deserved to die! ;)
they want to humanize him in order to turn him into a monster all over again. call it "the re-monstering of arvin slaon."