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BSG Ep 4: Resistance



‘Resistance’ is probably the hardest ep for me to judge thus far. It had some absolutely brilliant moments tempered with continuity issues and lapses in logic. It’s no that it was bad by any stretch of my imagination, just that I’ve come to expect so much from this show I felt let down in spots.

I was spoiled long ago about Lee’s assisting Laura to escape. My focus then became on how he was going to go about pulling it off. I felt towards the end of last season one of the Sharon’s had to go and with Caprica Sharon’s pregnancy it seemed clear who was Dead Sharon Walking. Still, I had no idea when her death would come or that it would hit me so hard. And I was absolutely floored when we see that it is Cally that appoints herself judge, jury, and executioner. But, with the revelation that there are eight cylons among them and my paranoia in overdrive could Cally be a cylon under orders to eliminate a traitor? Bare with me, I also have hunches that Gaeta, (who was loyal to Tigh to the point of calling Roslin the “former president” and who now has leverage against Dee) and Billy (discussion to follow) may be cylons so I’m doing a lot of hypothesizing with very little proof.

I’ll start with what I considered some of the weak links in this episode. While I was happy to see the return of Starbuck and Helo and their bickering (Helo’s “Don’t start.” is soooo me), their storyline seemed more like a necessity to set up some not as yet known future events rather than being an integral part of the story. I would have been shocked to find out there were no other survivors on Caprica and I agree with Kara’s assessment that they are going to need help if they want to get off the planet. However, a pyramid team? Couldn’t they have at least been some survivalist group training in the mountains? Or a reservist unit? We have some incredibly strong athletes, but I’m just not seeing Lance Armstrong being able to hop off his bike and pick up an AK-47.

And while I have no problem with Kara taking a little R&R after everything she’s been through, she just would not be physically fit enough after the beating she took at the hands of six to be that active. My assumption after seeing her struggle to put on the coat in VoD is that she probably has some cracked ribs. Since I’m not a Lee/Kara shipper, I really don’t care about the quasi-flittering going on, but I have to say that after fantasizing about your dead fiancé’s brother a mere week ago (if that) and now we’re introduced to a guy who bares more than a passing resemblance to Lee, Kara, sweetie, you need to see if there is a therapist somewhere in the fleet.

Other continuity issues I had (as well as danceswithwords ) involved Adama’s super speedy recovery. A day has perhaps passed since his surgery. He was just coming out of the coma when Lee took off, maybe an hour or two before. Yet, he’s walking to Tigh’s quarters and fully alert. Um, don’t think so. I’m not seeing their medical technology as any more advanced then ours. Granted, when I first saw Adama in that doorway, it was a great dramatic moment. Then my brain has to go and start thinking and realize this can’t happen.

To make matters worse, one of the first things he does is ask for drink and Tigh to join him. Yes, he doesn’t know how bad things have gotten. For some reason, I’m thinking he may have a clue about the martial law, but probably not about the civilian deaths and he obviously doesn’t know his son just took off with the president to help form a resistance movement. Still, he knows about Tigh’s drinking problem and probably can guess that the stress has caused it to get worse. Don’t encourage the man to drink.

At this point I started making a lot of assumptions about Adama to which DWW had to ask me ‘Do you know that?’ For the record, I do know stuff that’s coming up, but I know nothing of what’s going to ioccur between Adama and Tigh. If it’s out there, I haven’t seen it. It’s just that I got the disturbing vibe (coupled with what I saw in the preview) that Tigh is going to get away with a lot of what he’s done. I did agree with Adama’s statement that it’s a tough job being in command, having to make life and death decisions with no one to turn to (hey, didn’t Tigh alienate a lot of the people who could have, should have supported him though?) and even I can be forgiving of some of Tigh’s errors. However, Tigh’s mistakes were coupled with an attitude and arrogance I could not ignore. He had a blatant disregard for the opinions, hell, it seemed even the welfare, of the civilian population until it was too late. He turned to drink and the council of his wife at every turn. His behavior was appalling and just plain ugly. The only thing he’s done right since ‘Scattered’ is not shoot down Lee and that was less an act of conscious then the fact that Adama never could have forgiven him.

I’m not advocating Tigh be thrown into the brig by Adama, but I want Tigh to experience some consequences for his way of thinking and actions resulting from it. I just sense Adama’s quickly going to fall back to blaming Roslin, making it personal, seeing her as the enemy who, once again, separated him from his son. When will he get that Lee has a mind of his own? It was largely his plan that freed Laura and, on rewatch, I caught that he was the one who planted the seed of the idea - pointing out how the Corporeal still called her president and that she still had a lot of support on the fleet (courtesy of Dee the Informant - love her!).

My final issue with this episode was Billy’s reasoning for not accompanying Roslin. The kicker for me was that he understood what she was doing, but that it will divide the fleet. Er, isn’t the fleet already divided? Didn’t four people die because of that? Let me refer to a scene in the preseason promos (which I will refer to again later in regards to Lee) that has evidently been cut and say events have already been set in motion, Laura had no way of knowing that Adama was about to wake up and, even so, has to be concerned as to what he may yet do with her. And, deep down, I think the solution she wanted was one that, ironically Tigh mentioned to Ellen - sit down at a table and discuss all this. Given what’s she’s got to go on at the moment, I don’t think she felt she had a choice. Lee feels the same way and considering the support she had, including members of the bridge crew and flight crew, it seems the consensus was that she needed to get off that ship.

It’s a noble idea that Billy can’t take part in what he believes will lead to a civil war and therefore chooses to stay on the side of martial law for the time being. It also provides an interesting parallel with Lee whose own conscience forced him to break with the military and his father. But, as I said before, it just doesn’t make sense to me given how dire things have become. He really would think sticking with Tigh is the better choice? Why help Laura to escape? He could have begged off sooner letting her know he won’t stop her, but he can’t help her. I have to believe one of two things. Either, yes, personal feelings played a significant role in his decision making. He couldn’t face the possibility of never seeing Dee again nor could he allow her to take the fall if her duplicity was revealed. Or, he’s a cylon and following the president would severely compromise the intelligence information he’s able to relay.

Hmmm, let’s see, who haven’t I talked about yet? Oh, yeah, that Lee guy. ;) I won’t go overboard with shippy ramblings, but, yes, I was a happy shipper last night. The L/L relationship is developing perfectly, imho. No, I didn’t see anything overtly romantic or sexual (though, I swear, for a nanosecond I thought they were going to hug when she walked through that causeway door), but there’s a very natural progression happening between them. Granted, being confined to cells and trying not to have your conversations heard is going to force you into close proximity, but they seem increasingly comfortable in each other’s personal space. And whereas they use to have more of a subordinate/superior role to each other, I now see them as equals. Their conversations are no longer halted by uncertainties, rather fluid bordering on instinctual. My favorite exchange followed Laura’s statement that she had to get out of there:

Lee: “I’m right with you”
Laura: “I’m so glad you said that”

Me too. ;) But, seriously, they have become very dependant on each other. She’s understood him like no one else has, reinforced his ideology, and given him hope in the form of the presidency. He’s stood by her even through the bad decisions and has a faith in her not born of her role as prophet. Now, with Billy leaving her, he is her sole voice of reason and support. And after Lee announced he had a plan, but was lacking a way for them to get flight clearance Laura chimes in that she has that covered. I loved his slightly surprised “Really?”. While he’s been learning to maneuver on the civilian front, she’s seems to have picked up on some strategic planning from him. Then again, I think he’s also learning that she can be quite manipulative when she has to be - even down to the little details like eating something you don’t like.

Something I noticed about Lee was how much he seemed to be smiling throughout the episode. His father’s in a coma, his best friend is MIA, the fleet is in chaos, and he’s confined to the brig when not on duty. While I can’t say he was happy, I can say he didn’t seem miserable. I think we’re seeing proof that he’s freed himself, if not physically, psychologically from the confines of the uniform and judgment of his father. Really, how much farther did he have to fall? It’s liberated him.

The weight began being lifted when he said the words to Tigh in VoD - he’s not a fit for that uniform. He has seen, repeatedly, he’s still respected by the vast majority of those he works with because they know the man that he is. Even Dee (have I mentioned how much I love Dee now?), who only days before expressed her anger at Billy for the mutiny is now telling Lee “I wish you were in command sir” which is a sweet sentiment, but, in reality is the last thing Lee wants and quickly changes the subject.

Not that there was anything wrong with the old Lee, but the one we see here as a new found confidence. Even in the heartbreaking exchange with his father, he’s able to joke “I’m sure you won’t approve, but I guess that’s nothing new.” Sure, he’s not pleased that this rift still exists and his father isn’t able to see where he’s coming from, but I’m not feeling it’s causing him the pain it once did. The “Goodbye Dad” just killed me though. It seemed so final, even if we know it’s not. But, Lee doesn’t know that and after everything I really think he hoped to make peace with his father. Agree to disagree at least.

I mentioned earlier an apparently cut scene involving Lee and Laura that was run in the promos for the upcoming season. My hunch has always been it should have been in the premiere, but given they are free from the brig now I think it’s safe to say we’ll never see it in the context of the show. For those who aren’t sure what I’m talking about, it’s Lee’s line to Laura that he’s glad she has something to believe in because he doesn’t. Given how events have played out, I’m glad it was cut. Call me crazy, but I’m seeing an *almost* optimistic Lee here. He has belief in himself and his course of action and that there is something he can do to maybe right this situation. He has a mission - help Laura help salvage the fleet. Even his telling Tigh to do what he had to do in regards to firing on the raptor I didn’t see as fatalistic. I think he was certain that either Tigh wouldn’t have the balls to kill Adama’s only remaining child or that Hotdog wouldn’t be able to shoot him down. It was a calculated risk, but the odds were on his side.

Crap, this is getting very long and I still have more to say.

For the second week in a row, Baltar surprised me for the good. He managed to find a way to determine how many cylons are in the fleet. Will he share the information? Probably not at this time. But, I think it’s important to note that his actions were his own and independent of Six. He’s growing more and more in control of the situation he finds himself in and he’s beginning to utilize the weaknesses he’s seeing in the cylons.

I felt all last season that Grace Park was the week link on the show, but, damn, she impressed me last night. Sharon just broke my heart. She was (was ::sniff: ) more lost and alone than anyone in the fleet. To paraphrase Buffy - ’can’t be a human, can’t be a cylon’. She’s part of both words, but belongs in neither. I’d hazard to guess, she’d have tried suicide again or would have been eliminated by another cylon (assuming Cally isn’t one) so, maybe, her death was a merciful one. Then again, if a cylon consciousness is transmitted upon death could this form of Sharon pop up again?

Sweet little Cally now scares the hell out of me. Her line about joining the military to pay for dental school takes on a whole new significance here. She just isn’t emotionally capable of handling all this. Did she finally see and hear too much and snapped as a result of post-traumatic stress? I get her loyalty to Tyrol, but gunning down Sharon wasn’t going to help him. It was a psychotic break. Or, she’s a cylon. ;)

Now, off to contemplate whether Lee calling the president “Mam“ was significant or a continuity gaff.
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Hee! I appreciate your concern, but my shipping tends to be cheerfully unconcerned with what's actually happening in canon, and I'm not going to die if Kara has a hookup with someone besides Lee, which certainly looks to be a possibility given the setup here.

Of course, it does mean that asta77 currently has the upper hand in our vicious ship war, and that's annoying!
OK, you now have me imagining a really bad fanfic where Lee breaches Laura's bubble. :p

See, you should show up on IM on Friday nights to partake in DWW and my vicious ship war. This week included me going "Look, they're touching!" :)

The one nice thing I've noticed thus far in the fandom is that the differing ship camps seem to be getting along. The L/Kers don't seem to be deeply disturbed by L/L and the L/Lers I know aren't wigged out by the prospect of L/K. Just as I don't see a romantic relationship happening between Lee and Kara at this time, others see a strong bond between Lee and Laura, just not a romantic one. Hey, it's not like we're talking Buffy/Riley here. ;)
OK, you now have me imagining a really bad fanfic where Lee breaches Laura's bubble.

At least he's not docking a viper in her hanger deck! God, that was bad.

This week included me going "Look, they're touching!"

Yes, yes, rub it in. Fortunately, my ship is all about the meaningful not touching. And hey, when they're not even within a million light years of each other, they can not touch a whole lot! IT'S INCREDIBLY ROMANTIC!

Okay, maybe not. *sigh*
Well, with the whole being millions of light years apart and not touching they're love can remain pure. And while he's waiting for his dead brother's fiance true love to return he can explore some stress relieving techniques with Laura. See, we can all be happy. ;)
Not touching is the greatest expression of love, yo.

And I got bunnied today, and like I have time to be writing fic right now. *headdesk*

docking a viper in her hanger deck

As a special favor to me, can you never, ever mention that again? Thanks.
docking a viper in her hanger deck

If I had the software to do it, I would so be making an icon with that on it right now. ;-)
DID YOU SEE THIS WEEK!?!

As Laura was entering the hanger with Lee she almost jumped into his arms!!!!

No... Wait.

I'm watching it again, and oh no she tripped and was falling forward.

Oh well, Guess with her being an early Cylon, she got the BETA version of the human feet.

All this "breaking the bubble" talk has me thinking of those scenes from "The Prisoner" ewwww
Actually, she was so excited to see him that she tripped. And I'd risk breaking a leg to fall into those arms anytime.
I was joking of course.

It was an interesting ep, as they were throwing red herrings every where for future eps.

And as far as the Pyramid team surviving and becoming resistance leaders, I do know this about unexpected solidiers. In the eastern block countries they recrute 12-14 year old girls as sharp shooters as they tend to be very soo with balance, aim, and blending in.

Its not always the marines.
I could probably buy one or two of the players turning commando, but the entire team? Not really buying it. I get the sense that Ron checks out the the interent buzz and I'm guessing he's realized by now the fans didn't think he was as clever as he thought himself. :p
I need to watch this again :)

I'm also concerned about Tigh suffering the consequences of his actions; admitting them doesn't absolve him in any way.

I was shocked to see Sharon gunned down; shocked and I also felt really bad and sorry for her. It had an eerie feeling to me and it reminded me of the newsreels of Lee Harvey Oswald being gunned down by Jack Ruby.
The Kent State incident and Jack Ruby were the inspirations for the events we saw. Which is more than a little distrubing for something we view as entertainment. ;p
You're not kidding ;) I knew it couldn't have been a coincidence that it was so similar.
You make good points, Asta, and I find myself nodding along.

I agree about the Pyramid team and Kara's physical condition. I realize I'm prejudiced against the whole Caprica storyline, so I'm trying hard to ignore the new guy (cough*Lee issues*cough), so the less said about him the better ;) We also have Adama drinking alcohol so soon after his surgery, which is another detail that bugs me, but I'm going to let it slide because hell, it's really good to see him.

Well, if Lee/Kara shippers are (possibly) getting cannon shafted (and please don't tell me if you know more), at least Lee/Laura shippers are getting some good stuff to play with. I'm not sure how I feel about the L/L romantic relationship, but I do enjoy watching them interact. And it's getting more and more interesting with each episode.

I felt all last season that Grace Park was the week link on the show, but, damn, she impressed me last night. Sharon just broke my heart.

I think this is the first time I really felt for Sharon. Grace Park sold it well and it hit all the right notes. And I'm glad I'm not the only person who suspects Cally being a cylon. I think it's more likely that she has something like PTSD, but the cylon theory is deliciously creepy.
Thank you! :)

At this point in the show, I'm still of the mind that no one is going to get canon shafted (interesting term :). If Lee and Laura do become intimately involved, we need to keep in mind she is still dying. And Kara can sleep with Baltar or anyone else and that doesn't mean she still doesn't have feelings for Lee that won't be recipricated later on. It's odd for me that even though I ship L/L, no other possible pairings disturb me. I'm not pulling my hair out like I was with Buffy.

And I'm glad I'm not the only person who suspects Cally being a cylon. I think it's more likely that she has something like PTSD, but the cylon theory is deliciously creepy.

Yay! Someone else sees my wacked out theories. ;) PTSD is the obvious assumption, but when has this show been obvious? As Meret pointed out, Sharon revealing that there are eight cylons in the fleet could be a lie - just a number she through out to save Tyrol. But, I do believe there is at least a model or two around and why not Cally?
As Meret pointed out, Sharon revealing that there are eight cylons in the fleet could be a lie - just a number she through out to save Tyrol

Definitely. And how convenient that she cries 'eight' right after Baltar hits 'nine'.

Still, it would be kinda cool if eight is indeed the correct number.
I’m not advocating Tigh be thrown into the brig by Adama, but I want Tigh to experience some consequences for his way of thinking and actions resulting from it. I just sense Adama’s quickly going to fall back to blaming Roslin, making it personal, seeing her as the enemy who, once again, separated him from his son.

I am really hoping that there's some fallout for Tigh, because I agree that he should face consequences for his terrible leadership and personal failings. I'd like to see more of Adama and Tigh's backstory, find out how they got to where they are now, because if there aren't consequences for Tigh, I'd at least like to be sold on why Adama has such a weak spot for him. So hopefully the previews aren't telling the whole story, and that it's much more nuanced than Tigh getting a free ride--there's got to be some dramatic payoff for all the ugliness we've seen in his behavior this season, and even if it doesn't come right away, it needs to happen.

It occured to me this morning, in rewatching the episode, that Boomer might actually have made up the number eight just to get Baltar to revive Tyrol. That would be an interesting twist! And I guess we'll never know, what with her being all dead now and stuff.
I'm very curious to as to why Adama is so unforgiving towards his son, yet will seemingly forgive Tigh for any transgression. Friendship is nice, but I don't know of many people who would go so far in supporting alcoholics living on the edge who have the welfare of thousands of people depending on their judgement. Maybe if we're lucky, we'll find out Ellen is working with the cylons and Tigh will be forced to blow her out the airlock.
I'm very curious to as to why Adama is so unforgiving towards his son, yet will seemingly forgive Tigh for any transgression.

I'm reserving judgment until I actually see the episode before getting upset at Adama for forgiving Tigh, because we just don't know if that's the case, and if it is, what the context is. But, yeah, there has to be history there beyond simple friendship if it does turn out that way, and Tigh remaining in his position as second in command is seriously problematic.

I'm all for Ellen Tigh getting blown out of an airlock, but I'd sort of hate it if she was working for the Cylons--I like the idea that her behavior is motivated from sheer human narcissism and greed and power hunger.
with the revelation that there are eight cylons among them

Since I haven't seen any evidence before this that she can willingly access cylon info when she wants to, I think there's a good chance she just made that up to get Baltar to help Tyrol.

However, a pyramid team?

That made me LOL, and not in a good way.

It’s just that I got the disturbing vibe (coupled with what I saw in the preview) that Tigh is going to get away with a lot of what he’s done.

I agree. Tigh is a huge blind spot for Adama, and he *needs* to have a more qualified XO. Based on the preview, I don't think Adama realizes that it's not just the civilians and Lee who were rebelling against Tigh.

My final issue with this episode was Billy’s reasoning for not accompanying Roslin.

I agree. That didn't make sense to me either. I didn't see any difference in him going with her now, and his standing up to the boarding party on Colonial One. But at least Laura and Lee have a better chance of being alone now. ;)

Based on the previews for next week, (I'm unspoiled and want to keep it that way), it's going to be interesting to see how far Lee will follow her. My understanding is that Lee believes in the legality of her presidency, but I'm not sure how much he believes in the prophecies.

I think we’re seeing proof that he’s freed himself, if not physically, psychologically from the confines of the uniform and judgment of his father. Really, how much farther did he have to fall? It’s liberated him.

ITA! I can remember having an epiphany at age 12 realizing I was never going to please my father, so I might as well stop trying and be myself. It's *extremely* liberating.

It's interesting to me that he and Kara are really reverse images of each other. He appeared to be all military spit and polish on the outside, while there was really a snarky individualist inside dying to get out. She seems like a wise-ass who's a bad fit for the service on the outside, but on the inside is a much better fit for the military life than Lee.

Now, off to contemplate whether Lee calling the president “Mam“ was significant or a continuity gaff.

I didn't even notice that! I'm betting it's the latter. :)

I love your commentaries. They always make me think. :)
I thought about the possibility of Sharon lying after I posted. I figured someone would point it out. ;)

Based on the previews for next week, (I'm unspoiled and want to keep it that way), it's going to be interesting to see how far Lee will follow her. My understanding is that Lee believes in the legality of her presidency, but I'm not sure how much he believes in the prophecies.

So, you don't want to know about the Lee/Laura sex? I kid! Unfortunately. ;) Yeah, I'm curious to as to what his reaction will be to Laura the prophet because he doesn't seem to buy any of it. And if he sees *her* buying into it (I haven't seen strong evidence of that yet) will he broach the subject with her?

It's interesting to me that he and Kara are really reverse images of each other. He appeared to be all military spit and polish on the outside, while there was really a snarky individualist inside dying to get out. She seems like a wise-ass who's a bad fit for the service on the outside, but on the inside is a much better fit for the military life than Lee.

Especially if you go back and watch the mini and then see them as they are now. The hints of their true selves are there, but as the show progressed we see how off our snap judgements of them, as well as Adama's and Tigh's, are. I think Kara needs to the structure of the military to ground her and protect her otherwise she'd have a lot of time to focus on herself.

I love your commentaries. They always make me think. :)

Thank you! I always appreciate hearing that. It makes me realize I didn't just waste two hours of my life. ;)
Ok, I really am spiteful: I enjoy seeing Tyrol suffer. I mean, kick that guy when he's down, I can't get enough of it. Maybe it's because he's played as a cheap Sean Astin clone or something, I have no idea, but I was more interested (at least last week in anticipation) in seeing his very postponed knowledge of Sharon's cylon condition pay off than the more important things going on regarding the imposition of martial law. But then, Baltar was played so well in that scene I found myself clutching my chest, the wind knocked out of me.

On the other hand, I didn't really see any big conspiratorial tone in Baltar (though I agree he is asserting independence from Cylah; though if she can--which I believe to be true--still knock him head first through a mirror whenever she wants, I'm not sure if that actually means anything): him ferreting out the number of cylon agents seemed more of a way of re-establishing his position and regaining ground he lost, being that everyone believed his cylon-detector was worthless, than getting up and over on anyone. That's how I interpreted it anyway.

I love Callie. Mostly, that such a supposedly insignificant character can not only preserve the same actor from the mini but have as much screen time as she's won (and the Dental School remark made me smirk over her biting that fucker's ear off in Zarek's introduction; not sure if it was intended to reference that, though), but I do think it opens up the door to her being a cylon: it's perfectly clear that the cylons--or at least certain groups of them--don't want the galactica destroyed so I think it's the "human side" of Sharon that shot Adama; that she blamed him for making her confront her true nature by boarding the enemy ship. So if she wasn't under orders to shoot him, another cylon might have cause to eliminate her for inadvertantly exposing herself.

Starbuck and Helo probably should have killed a bunch of the pyramid team (which I think only survived the strike because the writers wanted a way to congratulate themselves for mentioning the sport 10 times before actually introducing it into a plotline), because it would have made an interesting counterpoint to the story going on back in the fleet; plus it would have been more realistic. I'm not a shipper (are males even allowed to be? is it against the definition? who knows, heh) but it seems odd that the two of them have overtly Greek names and no one else really does (though people with italic names like Sharon tend to end up poorly; doesn't bode well for Gaeta), so maybe they're destined for each other or some fate that would cause their naming. I mean, Agathon? ("the good") Come on. But the writers should have had enough guts to have them rack up some human casualties; I'm not sure any writer out there who gets paid would have enough guts to ship Lee and Roslin, but I sure wouldn't mind seeing it.
Hey, if we didn't enjoy seeing charcaters suffer, would we be watching this show? ;) Tyrol interests me in that he didn't much interest me last season. The guy has had heaps of heartbreak thrown upon him and I'm curious to see how he deals with that. Cally is another one I didn't give a lot of thought to, but now she scares the hell out of me. It's a credit to the writers that they have made even minor characters so significant. I really can't think of another show, at least one I watched regulary, that has done that.

I do wonder how much of this elevating of characters is planned or they are inspired by the actor who portrays them. Helo was to die in the mini and Boxey was to have a reoccuring role and when is the last time we saw him? (Though, I'm really happy we don't have a kid hanging around the pilots all the time.)

It's an interesting take that Sharon may have been acting out of self-preservation rather than on orders from the cylons. On the other hand, if the plan was to eliminate Adama to destroy the fleet from the inside, right now that plan is working.

I didn't bring this up in my podcast recap, but Ron Moore admits that some of the pyramid team members should have died. That it was unrealistic that they all survived the stand off. I can't recall exactly why he didn't go there though.

I've never come across a male shipper (then again between the boards I've been on and LJ 99% of the folks I come into contact with our women. Is it because we are shippers and men aren't?) . It's probably a sexist thing to say, but I guess I never felt guys became concerned/obsessed over that stuff like women do.

The Lee/Roslin relationship is interesting in that I thought it was just some wacky notion I had and that they'd never go there. Now, I'm not so sure. BSG doesn't generally go for the predictable and they seem willing to make adjustments as they go so there could come a point where they think L/R becoming romantically involved makes sense storywise.
"if the plan was to eliminate Adama to destroy the fleet from the inside, right now that plan is working."

Other than one line at the end of the miniseries about how it was human nature to go after revenge (and that's why the Cylons had to destroy the colonies), I don't think the cylons have made a sincere effort to destroy Galactica: I'm not sure all of the cylons are on the same page (and the original series often had them at each other's throats, I guess), but I think it seems as if they destroyed the colonies more to get the humans to get off their asses and actually do something (pass that scary RED LINE or whatever), fulfill god's plan, yada yada.

On shipping: I'm fairly obsessive but most TV "romantic" relationships disinterest me, repulse me (I'm one of the three people who would vote Buffy Season 2 the worst season), or seem tacked on (I don't give a damn if O'neill and Carter get together on SG1); Lee/Roslin on the other hand does interest me, not just because it reverses the stereotypical patterns of what makes "hetero-ness" hot in certain respects, but because it's about relation and not "tension."

Actually, come to think of it, there are a bunch of guys into shipping+slash, but they're all scary shitheads. They tend to be into Tripple X Spike+Dawn fic and try to dominate groups that have ratings of some sort. By that measure, I don't even think it's possible for anything you say to come off as sexist.
Sorry for the delay in replying. Weird couple of days.

(I'm one of the three people who would vote Buffy Season 2 the worst season), or seem tacked on (I don't give a damn if O'neill and Carter get together on SG1); Lee/Roslin on the other hand does interest me, not just because it reverses the stereotypical patterns of what makes "hetero-ness" hot in certain respects, but because it's about relation and not "tension."

I like how you put it's about "relation" rather than "tension". If I was simply interested in Lee/Jamie and seeing him sans clothes I wouldn't care who he was paired off with. I've really enjoyed seeing his relationship with Roslin evolve from subordinate to equal and I'm curious as to how it will progress further. Friends is a logical assumption. Sexual? Maybe. They're two attractive, like-minded people, who've had a major bonding opportunity presented to them. There definitely wasn't UST thrown in our faces when they first met as I've seen on so many other shows.

Buffy Season 2 is actually one of my favorite seasons because it introduced us to Dru, Spike, and Angelus who I found to be a marvelous villian (until they neutered him in season 4 of Angel). But the Buffy/Angel stuff I was never a fan of - even less so in Sesaon 3 when it became severly melodramatic.
Helo’s “Don’t start.” is soooo me

I loved that. Like, is that a situation they're in a lot? Hee.

Oddly enough, while I see a lot of your points about continuity and credulity, a lot of that stuff didn't bother me. Even the Pyramid team thing just made me kind of shrug (though I think that's because I was too busy imagining myself running into the Mariners in a similar situation). I think it's because this show has somehow earned my suspension of disbelief; even when something makes me raise an eyebrow (like Adama asking Tigh to pour them a drink), I'm willing to either wait to see how it develops, or maybe just forgive it outright. It's weird. I guess it's that I'm generally OK with plot points that stretch credulity--it's the character inconsistencies that really bug me, and we haven't seen very much of that on BSG so far.

As for Kara and Adama's miraculous recoveries, though, I do think that (for once) at least a week or so is supposed to have passed... the Lee/Dee interaction has the flavor of something that's becoming a routine, and Kara's wounds have healed somewhat, etc. Then again, I thought I caught a shadow of Lee's black eye, still, but... I think at least some time is supposed to have passed.

What's really interesting to me about Lee and Roslin right now is that their relationship has changed so much, yet the fact that she is the lawful President is crucial to what they're doing. Lee has pretty much all but abandoned his original role with her and made it much more personal, but there's still a need for deference and respect there, at least in public (or as much public as they're going to see), that's kind of at odds with the developments in their relationship. It'll be interesting to see. (Also, I totally thought they were going to kiss when she came through the hatch at the end there. Heh. Y'all have poisoned me.)

I can't imagine Hot Dog would've shot down Lee, and I was a little surprised that he was even asking for instructions. I would've just let Tigh dither until they were out of range.

Also, Lee's confidence in this episode is stunning and wonderful. I actually ran upstairs after his scene with Dee to see if you guys were still online, so I could be all, "OMG LEE IS SO AWESOME." Heh.

Very interesting theories on who may and may not be a Cylon. I can't picture Cally as a Cylon, but I think it's a testament to how well they've created that suspicious atmosphere that I'm not willing to rule anything out at this point. :)
I guess it's that I'm generally OK with plot points that stretch credulity--it's the character inconsistencies that really bug me, and we haven't seen very much of that on BSG so far.

Character inconsistancies I find much harder to deal with then plot inconsistancies. And, I agree, BSG hasn't screwed up any of the characterizations. In fact, they've done an excellent job in a short period of time (in terms of the character's time frame) of showing how these people have had to evolve given the circumstances. I think it's because the show has done such an excellent job in the past with sticking to reality (Kara's knee taking weeks to heal; Lee's cuts and bruises not magically disappearing overnight) that I was disappointed by what I saw as rushed healing to service a story idea.

Lee has pretty much all but abandoned his original role with her and made it much more personal, but there's still a need for deference and respect there, at least in public (or as much public as they're going to see), that's kind of at odds with the developments in their relationship. It'll be interesting to see. (Also, I totally thought they were going to kiss when she came through the hatch at the end there. Heh. Y'all have poisoned me.)

Kiss?! Wow, you're worse then me! I was just thinking hug.

It really hit me in this episode (even though it's been building this season) that the dynamic of their relationship has changed. I saw them very much as equals here - that the two of them were in this together - and he wasn't just, um, in service to the presidnt. ;) There was no 'What can I do to help?' from Lee it was 'This is what we are going to do.' Perhaps the most telling moment was when he didn't consult her about turning the raptor around, he simply told Tigh to do what he had to. The thing is, he knew what her answer would be and I love the look she gives him as he makes his stand. There's no need to explain himself to her (as he did in 'Bastille Day') anymore and vice versa.

Also, Lee's confidence in this episode is stunning and wonderful. I actually ran upstairs after his scene with Dee to see if you guys were still online, so I could be all, "OMG LEE IS SO AWESOME."

Damn. Wish we were there to squee with you. Lee was just so frackin at ease with himself throughout this episode and the smiling! I contrast the Lee here with the one in 'Water' who needed reassurances from his father and Laura that he did the right thing in shooting down the ship. This Lee knows without a doubt he's doing the right thing.