Asta 2

Podcast for 'Pegasus'

Yes, I’m really late in this write up (blame it on rewatching the mini series and new network TV), but here’s what I managed to cull of interest from the most recent podcast. It doesn’t really constitute spoilage imo, but I’m going to mention some of the things that were cut for time that will appear on the Season 2 DVD set.



RM has been thinking about the Pegasus storyline since he agreed to do the project.

The Director’s Cut ran 15 minutes long which is the equivalent of an acts worth of material. Get this, he actually admits the better version is the longer one. They toyed with the idea of making it a 90 minute episode, but they "couldn’t plump it out". So they went to Universal Home Video and Universal has agreed to show the longer cut when the season 2 DVDs are released.

There will be no Sheba. YAY! It was felt "too cute" of a character concept – two commanders with two kids who happened to be Viper pilots.

Cain is suppose to come off a bit crazy, but she isn’t really a bad person per se (OK, so how does the condoning rape fit into that theory?) and he liked the idea that this ‘crazy person’ then takes over your fleet.

Before Cain boards the Galactica, there was an extensive scene in the corridors with Adama, Laura, and Tigh. As they walk to greet her, Adama talks about who Cain is, how she was promoted over people, was a tough up and comer, and had taken over the Pegasus only shortly before the attack. This is one scene I will assume will be in the longer version.

A subplot about the fleet withholding supplies from the Pegasus because they were withholding help to te fleet was cut (as in never filmed). Er, didn’t we already do that anyway?

The dinner/drinking scene between Adama, Laura, and Cain was longer. Cain explained how the Pegasus avoided the Cylons infecting it’s computer systems - during the overhaul in dry dock most, if not all, computers were offline

And I quote RM. "Their CAG is a big fat prick...you hate him." Um, actually, not so much. I don’t recall anyone saying they hated the character. And it’s not like Lee and Kara were on their best behavior. BTW, the CAG’s call sign is Stinger. Did we hear that mentioned at all? I may have missed it.

In the longer version, the tension rising between pilots is played out more. We also get a scene where Cain goes to see Sharon and that segues to her meeting with with Baltar.

I thought his name was ‘Larry’, but apparently it’s Laird, the Pegasus deck chief. His murky reference to "things happened" will be explained in part two. RM also mentioned that Tyrol was relieved of his deck and became second fiddle to Laird. Whether that only appeared in script form or was filmed and cut, I’m unclear about.

RM talks about the Olympic Carrier reference and says that, in their hearts (Adama, Laura, Lee, etc) they know there were people on that ship. Doesn’t mean that’s the truth of the matter, but he feels that they would feel that there probably were.

It seems that there are no immediate plans to reveal Pegasus Six’s name on the show, but in the scripts, it’s Gina, which is a jab at those who refer to the show as GINO (Galactica In Name Only).

He makes a bit of insightful observation about Baltar - that he wants to reach out to Six, but only to the one who has been tortured and raped.

He really didn’t like the scene where it’s revealed that Apollo stole the photo recon package. RM felt it was pushing it – too much of a TV drama convention. No surprise here, but we’ll see more of Kara’s part of that particular storyline in part two.

Sharon’s attempted rape. Now, I thought this was interesting. The version we saw was as it was scripted – Sharon’s rape is averted as Tyrol and Helo get there just in time. As it was shot, she was raped, with the guys getting there as it is happening. :( Originally, I was under the impression two versions were shot, but watching the ep again the scene may have been altered in editing. The script was written by a woman, but from RM’s commentary I got the impression he tinkered with it a lot. He specifically talked about writing the Baltar/Pegasus Six scene and it seemed as if it was his decision to change it from an attempted rape to rape while shooting. I’ll give him credit for listening to whoever told him to go back to the original version, however, it worries me a bit if he’s continually uping the violence on the show.

And that's all until January folks. Stay tuned for my rather long winded posts as I rewatch Season 1. I'll explain why Lee/Laura is the best ship EVA! I kid! Sort of. ;)
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If it wasn't for the rape, I'd be able to go with Cain as the extreme hard-ass who went a bit bats from stress as opposed to EVIL. As it is, I'm in the EVILCAIN camp.

I didn't hate the CAG either.

RM needs to step away from the violence for violence's sake. We all got the idea of what was about to happen nicely, thanks.

I didn't hate the CAG either.

If we were meant to hate him he really needed to do more than verbally belittle Lee. If you can even cal it that. Especially with Lee not being on his best behavior either. The guy would be senior pilot now and I'm still not fathoming how flying a raptor with him was some great humiliation.
I don't have anything insightful to say. Cain reminded me of a Vulcan...and not in a good way. I didn't like the Pegasus CAG, but then my impression was I wasn't supposed to. Not that I do what I'm supposed to, lol, just did not like him. There seemed an unnecessary arrogance when they came aboard Galactica. Can't put my finger on it. Almost like how dare Galtica survive. How dare they make it on their own. I'm not saying this right. It's just this feeling I got from the crew of Pegasus.

The rape and torture is very distrubing. I know what they're trying to say, but it's distrubing none the less. Having said that and wishing there was another plotline other than tortured vitim, I'm glad the actress playing Six has something other to do than to slink around like a Cylon Femme Fatale. In the bit we saw of her on the Pegasus as the prisoner, I was impressed. Also this was the first time I did not out and out dispise Baltar.

As an impartial newer viewer and one who doesn't 'ship one way or the other, I have to say it seems more Laura/Adama then Laura/Lee. Thought that when I saw them at the big party dancing and the ep. last Friday. Now Lynn just got the DVD's and the little I've seen so far, still getting that impression. Sorry Asta! lol
There seemed an unnecessary arrogance when they came aboard Galactica.

I think there was, partly because they come from a state of the art battlestar, not one that was about to be turned into a museum, and partly because they've chosen to fight the cylons rather than run.

I can see now why Tricia was so excited about these upcoming episodes playing Gina. Not that she looked forward to playing a rape victim, but that she had something more challenging to do then play Baltar's twisted conscience..

Laura/Adama! That's just wrong. :p Granted, Lee/Laura is not as obvious as other pairings on the show, but they have their moments....which I will be pointing out. ;)
"but that she had something more challenging to do then play Baltar's twisted conscience.."

there's a better role out there than Baltar's twisted conscience?
Hee. Well, it could be debated, but Tricia made a point at the Con of talking about how because her character is only inside Baltar's head she doesn't get to interact with any of her other cast mates on screen. I had always thought about how hard it must be for the others to pretend she's not there, but I hadn't considered how difficult for her it must be. If we assume that Gina sticks around for awhile and eventually interacts with the others (I'd love to see a Gina/Sharon scene) I can see how it provides her and us with new dynamics to explore.
Yeah, a Gina/Sharon scene would be very interesting. For one thing because Gina was captured, and is presumably still on the Cylon side, whereas Sharon is a defector. I can't see Gina being very happy about Sharon's choices, once she's psychologically healed up enough to take notice of people around her. She'll see Sharon as a traitor, which she is, though naturally we the audience sympathize with her betrayal.
the two models seen to have some kind of essentialized hatred of each other to begin with, so I'm not sure it matters what sharon has or hasn't done: her "defection" is only proof of her weakness and I'm not sure that breeds anger or contempt in they eyes of the cylons. They didn't blow up the colonies because they didn't like humans.

I hadn't thought about Helfer's isolation like that (although that stupid seduce-Adama plot gave her something to do for no compelling reason; contractual?), although as far as roles go, that's like complaining about a job as an ice cream taster.
Thanks for the info.

Except for the reedit, most of those extras do help the story.

Yeah I also don't "hate" the other CAG, plus from the look Kara gave him, he'll be around a while.....

I too am getting concerned that action is taking the lead as the means for story development.

Interesting observation about Baltar, always wanting what he doesn't have.
Thanks, as always, for listening to these so I don't have to. :)

I'm also glad they didn't go there with actual rape of Sharon. Not only was what they did enough to get the point across quite well, I also think that if they'd gone all the way, it would be a development they'd have to continue forward with the writing of Sharon and Helo and Tyrol, they'd have to really address the consequences, and I don't have a lot of confidence that Moore is aware of that. Sharon's going to be plenty traumatized as it is, and I think they'll be able to address that level of trauma.
Not that what happened to Sharon wasn't traumizing, but to have actually been raped and to have had Helo and Tyrol witness it would have been a storyline that would have had to have been dealt with for a long time and Moore already doesn't seem to have enough time for the stories he does want to cover. Not to mention, how would it have affected her pregnancy?
Thank you for writing that summary!

it seemed as if it was his decision to change it from an attempted rape to rape while shooting.

Where did you get that impression? IIRC, what he said wasn't that clear -- basically that there was a version where the rape happened, and that they finally decided to leave it at "averted at the last minute". And since Michael Rymer (the director) has quite a say in the way things are shot and edited (he's the one who decided that the women in the rec room -- Cally and Selix -- should have a shocked reaction, something that wasn't scripted, and he's the one who decided, in KLG1, that Roslin's scenes didn't really have their place in the teaser.). I don't listen to the podcasts that carefully, but from what Ron Moore said, I had no precise idea who decided to make it a "complete rape" (shudder) and who finally decided that it wasn't a good idea. Did you hear something that made you think that?
I'm afraid I wasn't very clear either. I probably should have said "it seemed *to me*..." It was just an impression I got. He talked a fair amount about his contributions to the script and since he didn't attribute the idea to film it as a rape to anyone else, as he had done with Cally's scene, I just felt it was his idea. From listening to the podcasts I get the impression that he likes to push stuff to the extreme and then either he on his own or on the advice of others pulls back. I think back to the podcast for KLG in which he talked about having Lee humiliate Kara over sleeping with Baltar in front of all the pilots in the briefing room, but decided it was too much.
No, the script for KLG1 was written by David Eick, and he was the one who had the idea of Lee humiliating Kara in the ready room, but Ron Moore, who rewrote part of the script, thought that it was out of character for Lee. For once, it was clear from the podcast who had written what. I remember it because I thought at the time that the script was very good (it was Eick's first script for BSG), but that Moore had a better handle on Lee's character.
Sadly, I think my retention of the podcasts for season 1 are limited by the fact I listened to them at work and wasn't quite as obsessive as I am now. ;) I'll be interested to see what the commentaries on the DVDs reveal.
RM also mentioned that Tyrol was relieved of his deck and became second fiddle to Laird.

That's interesting. So perhaps it wasn't just a case of integrating the crews. Cain wanted her people in charge of everything. Thanks for doing this! :)
I'm sorry they didn't do the 75 minute version of this episode. I hope that maybe - maybe - some of the cut footage might have added a bit of nuance to the otherwise hamfisted depiction of the Pegasus people as evil rather than flawed. OC, as the outsiders they get short shrift, but I *hope* we'll get to see something redeeming about these people who, apart from a few exceptions, are pretty contemptible.

I didn't hate the Pegasus CAG; I didn't like him very much, but then it's not his job to be liked but to be in charge and ride herd over his pilots. Lee's relationship with his pilots is different, far more friendly, perhaps too much so at times (as evidenced by Kara's little tirade in 33: "You're the CAG. Act like one!). Partly that's due to the command style on Galactica (crew as family) and partly due to Lee's own inexperience (freshly minted captain suddenly promoted to senior pilot by lethal attrition). In fact, P-CAG may very well be the better CAG in terms of performance. Lee might be prettier, but that doesn't mean he's perfect.

And if RM named P-CAG Stinger, he's jossed himself. At the end of 33, when Lee was writing on the white board, one of the pilot's names is Stinger. You can see it in this promo photo: http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/s1/graphics/101_05.shtml

Since call signs are supposed to be distinctive, it would be highly inlikely, not to mention confusing, to have 2 Stingers in the handful of surviving pilots. Whoops! Bad Ron Moore! ;-)
I didn't hate the Pegasus CAG; I didn't like him very much, but then it's not his job to be liked but to be in charge and ride herd over his pilots.

I think that's an excellent summation of the new CAG's character. He was doing his job as I would expect him to and while an argument can be made that life as they knew it is gone and perhaps he should lighten up a bit and be more open to those working under him, I didn't see he did anything wrong or particularly nasty. Now, maybe we see him do something in Pt 2 that will make me hate him, but I found nothing he did in Pt 1 that particularly pissed me off.

In fact, P-CAG may very well be the better CAG in terms of performance. Lee might be prettier, but that doesn't mean he's perfect.

Hee! True. ;) And I don't fault Lee's CAG style precisely for the reasons you stated. He steps foot on Galactica after bringing the fleet to it and Tigh informs him "You're the senior pilot now." So, life as they know it is over, the Cylons are still out their waiting to kill them, he's a recent captain looking to get out of the service (according to the backstory), and now HE'S in charge of making sure the Viper pilots keep them all alive. How can you prepare for THAT? He's done a pretty damn good job under the circumstances.

At the end of 33, when Lee was writing on the white board, one of the pilot's names is Stinger. You can see it in this promo photo:

Color me impressed you caught that. :) It will be interesting in Pt 2 if we actually hear the call sign mentioned. Otherwise RM can contribute it to a slip of the tongue or pulling a name out of his ass. ;p
I think that's an excellent summation of the new CAG's character. He was doing his job as I would expect him to and while an argument can be made that life as they knew it is gone and perhaps he should lighten up a bit and be more open to those working under him, I didn't see he did anything wrong or particularly nasty.

In truth, all we've seen of this character is the officer on duty. For all we know, when he's off duty, he's a laugh riot. OC, we haven't - and probably won't - seen him like that.

He's done a pretty damn good job under the circumstances.

True. It's a hell of a steep learning curve he's grappling with between his new role, the war, his less than stellar relationship with his father/commander. Poor Lee really got tossed in the deep end, didn't he?

At the end of 33, when Lee was writing on the white board, one of the pilot's names is Stinger. You can see it in this promo photo:

Color me impressed you caught that. :) It will be interesting in Pt 2 if we actually hear the call sign mentioned. Otherwise RM can contribute it to a slip of the tongue or pulling a name out of his ass.


Hehehehe. Hello, my name is Widget and I'm a total geek. I only knew this because I'd done some research for a story I was writing and I needed to know the names of pilots aboard Galactica.

OK, I'm just a geek. ;-)

Thanks as usual for posting this for all of us :)

I thought the Pegasus CAG was a bit of a hardass, but he's no different than many other military men. I don't think his behavior with Lee and Kara was personal - but I think Cain's behavior towards Adama was. I wouldn't be surprised if she has some axe to grind with him.

As Cindy said, I'm watching season 1 and watched the mini - things are a lot clearer to me now! And while I don't see ships forming yet, I did get a kick out of Laura when she told Lee, with a bit of a flirty smile, that she preferred calling him Captain Apollo :)

As for the boxed set, I like the fact that each slip case is clearly marked with what is inside, and that all the major extras are on one disc instead of being spread out.
What a great new icon! ;)

I did get a kick out of Laura when she told Lee, with a bit of a flirty smile, that she preferred calling him Captain Apollo :)

You are a wise and observant woman. This is on my list of key L/L moments in the mini. The world just ended and she's flirting with him! :-)
Thanks! :) It's from trusea, in case you want to check out the rest of her stuff, it's pretty good.

Gotta love Laura - the world is ending, and she can stop to appreciate a handsome man when she sees one :)