Asta 2

Resurrection Ship Pt 2

I hope this makes sense. I typed it up as I was watching the Golden Globes. Let me just say about the awards...YAY! Hugh! Ryan and Reese are just too cute and must never divorce. And the DH cast pretending to be all lovey-dovey? Puh-leeze. I'm sure Felicity will be real popular on the set tomorrow. Now, on to the show...



I read many recaps for this episode over the course of the weekend. That combined with hashing out the good, the bad, and the huh? with people in person (wheeee!) I debated on even posting. But you know me and ‘Galactica’, I’m unable to refrain from putting my two cents in. ;)

Now, I did realize that if I attempted to overanalyze this - trying to make sense of things that, frankly, don’t make much sense - it would be a colossal waste of my time. Either some of the huh? moments will make sense in the coming weeks or, quite possibly, Ron Moore dropped the ball on this one. Or maybe it’s because he had his hands on the ball. (Can you tell I watched football this weekend? I‘ll skip the incomplete pass analogy.) I mentioned last week that ‘Resurrection Ship’ was originally supposed to be one episode stretched to two because of production issues (contrary to RM’s current story) on a later episode. Watching the credits, I realized that the writing for RS2 is credited to Michael Rymer, who wrote Pt 1, and RM.

Here’s where I lay the blame for the scenes that made little to no sense at Ron’s feet. I came to this conclusion during the drinking scene between Kara and Cain. Maybe I’m wrong, but Michelle Forbes looks like she’s wearing a wig which, for me, is sign that this was a scene added later. If MR had moved on to other work, than writing duties would have fallen to RM. There was a heavy handedness to that scene I didn’t feel in others and subtlety is not one of Ron’s strengths. Cain’s words made it clear what was to happen later, “Some people get exactly what they deserve…Sometimes terrible things have to be done…each and everyone of us will have to face a moment where we have to commit that horrible sin and if we flinch in that moment…let our conscience get in the way.”

Also making me believe this came later in filming is that the show seems to forget that, per network request, they painted a very black and white picture of Cain in the previous episode. She slaughtered civilians. She approved of torture and rape, not as a method of gaining information, but as a sadistic means of revenge. Now we get, in my opinion, a very different Cain, one who is painted in shades of grey as she was in ’Pegasus’. Michelle Forbes fights back emotion as Cain states that her actions, her horrible sins, were for the greater good. She knows what she has become in casting her conscience aside, but it’s what she felt she *had* to do for their survival. Yes, it seemed to me she was talking about survival, not just defeating the enemy. And in pulling back at the end, canceling the bloodbath aboard the Galactica, she finds a shred of her own humanity again. While that’s great, it doesn’t really jive with what has come mere days before.

There were some very jarring character moments in this episode. As I said earlier, they could make perfect sense later on (though, I don’t feel they should have to make sense only in hindsight). Let me fawn over Jamie Bamber here (yeah, you‘re shocked, I know) and his acting. He’s always done well at conveying shifts in Lee’s emotions through subtle changes in his facial expressions, but, here, he has the incredibly difficult task of showing absolutely no emotion at all. Lee Adama has finally hit bottom. He’s empty. Did I think it possible Lee might find himself in a place where he feels totally lost and alone? Absolutely. Do I think we have sufficient reasoning for this happening now and him welcoming death? Uh, no.

Whether you choose to believe Lee was attempting suicide or simply giving up, neither makes much sense. There’s that wonderful, excruciating moment when Adama informs Lee that the assassination was the president’s idea and Lee, in an instant, conveys his dismay, hurt, and betrayal at hearing those words. Lee had risked his life and his precarious relationship with his father to back Laura and what he felt she stood for. Now he’s finding out that she’s sanctioned murder *and* he’s been left out of the loop. It’s understandable that after discovering that two of the people he is closest to have disregarded his faith in them and loyalty to them that it would leave him devastated. But given how much Lee has persevered through and knowing that Kara would be facing Cain alone without him, I don’t buy him letting go and accepting death as he did Perhaps his little speech to Kara earlier about trust - “We don’t have this than we really are no different than the cylons” - and then having his trust betrayed was meant to serve as the source of his despair, but it’s not enough.

And while I know some people hate hearing about what was said in interviews, podcasts, etc that might help to explain Lee’s state of mind, in this case, it serves to show that perhaps part of the problem is in the editing. Jamie stated in an interview that Lee becomes suicidal after believing he’s been left to die - that no one is coming to rescue him. That makes a certain amount of sense to me especially on rewatch. After the accident that separates him from the ship, he does appear to be alone and far from the battle. And there is a close up of his eyes, darting around, searching, and finding no one coming to help. Of course, what blows the ‘I’m lost in space and no one is coming to save me’ idea is Dee repeatedly calling for him over the com and Lee choosing not to respond.

One final criticism before moving on to things I think did work is the fact that Adama apparently never gave either Kara or Lee a pivotal piece of information that would have spared them so much pain and doubt that Cain ordered the execution of civilians. I don’t buy that the information was conveyed off screen. There is Lee’s statement to his father, “That’s how you resolve your differences with your superior officers?” Differences? I can’t imagine Lee using that term if he knew the truth. Nor do I think Kara would be praising Cain for doing “what she thought needed to be done” in order for Pegasus to survive. Or state that she had “one ship, no help, no hope. “

Now, for moments I liked….

Any scene, even gut wrenching ones, between Tyrol and Helo. I *really* want these two to become friends. And it would make a twisted sort of sense. Who else beside each other can understand loving a Cylon and the psychological baggage that goes along with it? At the end, I truly believe Tyrol went to Sharon’s cell to support Helo as much as to make sure Sharon was OK. And in walking away he did what he said he would, he started to let go.

Adama inviting Sharon to his quarters for a chat may have seemed odd on the surface, but I think it served, once again, to reinforce the very different mindsets of the two commanders and their crews. When Helo stated to Fisk that he was preventing the rape of a prisoner, Fisk’s response was that “You Can’t rape a machine.” Compare this with Adama asking Sharon to his quarters, offering her a drink (see the glass of water sitting on the table in front of where she sits), and referring to her (as Roslin has done) by name. Sharon is shown the respect given to an individual, a person.

The epic battle to destroy two basestars and the Resurrection Ship being completely secondary and in the background? Totally surprised me and I was extremely impressed they handled it as they did. We saw the plan mapped out last week, it really wasn’t necessary to see it played out in detail on screen. Watching it, in part, from the Lee’s POV, further strengthened that it was the personal battles that took precedence here.

Anyone else wondering if Six is gone? Baltar certainly seemed to be letting go or at least trying to let go of her. She, in turn, seemed desperate to hang on, “I know God’s plan for you. I know how to help you fulfill your destiny.” And then deeply hurt when Baltar uses her pyramid story to try to make a connection to her other self. I also find myself impressed that Baltar would work so hard to try to help someone so damaged and, in doing so, choosing to take the more difficult and dangerous path.

My feeling’s on the overall effect of Lee floating in the water are mixed. However, that final shot of him sinking below the surface, letting go, seemingly at peace, hit me emotionally in a way the space imagery did not.

I didn’t mind the kiss at the end, probably because I saw nothing romantic about it. What actually took me out of the scene was the sudden use of first names. I really like that Laura and Adama are becoming friends, I think the fleet will operate better with them on the same page, but it just seems to be happening a little too fast without a lot of issues between them having been dealt with.

I’ve seen it argued that the calling off of the assassination plots was a cop out on the part of the writers. Actually, I felt it was a way to clean up something they really hadn’t thought through. Adama sending Kara and Lee to take out Cain in a crowded, heavily armed CIC (for some reason, last week, I thought the plan involved Kara speaking to Cain alone) would have most likely ended in both their deaths. And while it’s perhaps not a good reason for me liking that Cain’s death came at the hands of Gina, Tricia was magnificent in that scene and every time she proves she’s more than a pretty face I am very happy for her.
  • Current Mood: confused confused
Hey I must have some kinda brain because you hit on all the same things I thought of. Except one:

Adama inviting Sharon to his quarters for a chat may have seemed odd on the surface, but I think it served, once again, to reinforce the very different mindsets of the two commanders and their crews.

Am I losing my mind, or wasn't this a flashback to a previous talk with Boomer? This seemed to be something I remembered seeing/hearing before, thought it was a flashback, so then the battle begins and I'm thrown way off in my timing.
No, it wasn't a flashback. She never been asked to his quarters before and she seemed a bit weirded out by the invitation.
I realized that the writing for RS2 is credited to Michael Rymer, who wrote Pt 1, and RM.

Interesting. I didn't realize RM co-wrote this.

Baltar would work so hard to try to help someone so damaged and, in doing so, choosing to take the more difficult and dangerous path.

I thought Baltar's choosing the real cylon over the one in his mind was a sign of growth on his part, until I thought that where as Six dominated him, he can be the dominant one with Gina. JC and TH did a wonderful job of acting on this entire story line. :)

The only reason I can come up with for Lee's action that makes sense to me is that he really is in love with Laura, and he found out about her rapidly failing health. *g*
I really didn't get the sense that Baltar wished to dominate Gina, though I think he appreciates having some semblence of control in this relationship at the moment. It should be interesting to see how their relationship progresses. I'm really curious as to where he's stashed her, how often he'll get to see her, and if she'll be carrying out any Cylon agenda.

The only reason I can come up with for Lee's action that makes sense to me is that he really is in love with Laura, and he found out about her rapidly failing health. *g*

If we're going to fanwank it, I say that's the way to go. ;-)
Ryan and Reese are just too cute and must never divorce.

Agreed. If they did divorce, I think it'd be sadder for me than Brad & Jen, because they have such beautiful children.
Not that Ryan doesn't have a career, but Reese is the 'star' in the family right now and a lot of guys just can't deal with being overshadowed by their wives. It was so nice to see him genuinely enthusiastic for her success. They remind me a bit of Felicity Huffman and William H Macy, another couple I love.
Anyone else wondering if Six is gone? Baltar certainly seemed to be letting go or at least trying to let go of her.

I don't think she's gone. She wouldn't let go of Baltar without more of a fight, and she could see at that point that he was determined to do what he was going to do. As soon as a little time has passed, and he starts to doubt his decisions, she'll be back.

I'm wondering, where will he hide Gina? Does he really have those kind of connections in the fleet?
As soon as a little time has passed, and he starts to doubt his decisions, she'll be back.

It would be really interesting to track exactly when Six has shown up in the past and when she may show up in the future. It seemed to me she would appear when Baltar needed her whether it was a moment of crisis for him personally or out of a desire for companionship. Now, with Gina being around, does he need her? I really do believe Six exists, she's not just a figment of his imagination, so I'm cuurious to see how she deals with this new scenerio.

I'm wondering, where will he hide Gina? Does he really have those kind of connections in the fleet?

Well, Lee and Laura showed us that you can hide in the fleet, but they had help in doing so. Baltar has been so isolated on the show I really am perplexed as to who he was able to find to help them. Zarek may have a political reason for doing so. He may figure that, with Laura dying, Baltar will become the next president and he would then owe him for helping him here. Other than that possibility, I'm clueless.
It seemed to me she would appear when Baltar needed her whether it was a moment of crisis for him personally or out of a desire for companionship.

Definitely. And the flesh and blood Gina has certainly replaced Six, but she's very unstable. She's been through hell, and she wants to die. I'm anxious to see what her state of mind will be like now that she's taken her revenge. I don't know how much Baltar can help her, he's pretty messed up in the head himself, but I'm sure he'll do all he can. It's through that whole process, though, that Six can come in and start messing with his mind again.

Zarek is Baltar's only hope for hiding Gina, as far as I can see. You're right, Zarek will probably use the situation for his own political gain.

BTW, love your icon!
I'm not sure what's going on with Boltar and Six. Six slammed Boltar's head into a mirror, which suggests to me, that she could manifest semi-physically, that or it was a sign of how much she dominated his mind. Then, of course, there was GlassesCylon, who reminded me a lot of Six.

I'm glad you told me about the two writers because there was quite a disconnect on Caine. As you said, the family-killing and XO-killing Caine didn't fit with the Caine who didn't kill Adama. She also, note, didn't execute Helo and Tyrrol out of hand.
I do believe Six is a seperate consciousness that has somehow manifested in Baltar's brain. And even if she doesn't have physical form (though I'm curious if she could download into Gina) this seems to setting up an interesting triangle. How strange is it going to be for Six to, essentially, be jealous of herself?

I could be totally wrong in my guesswork, but when I saw that Micheal Rymer had written Pt 1 and that he and RM were credited on Pt 2 it was as if a lightbulb went off and I suddenly got why Cain's characterization seemed so wonky. It could be that MR was looking just at the episodes he was working on and making sure they made sense, but RM was looking down the road to future developments. It really seemed as if the character turns that made no sense were a way to ratchet up the angst for Lee and Kara and kick start new arcs for them.
What made me curious was the contrast of Cain's "full auto" vs. Adama's salvos when attacking the cylons: I thought for sure he was saving ammo for use against the pegasus. I guess it could have shown the difference between the two captains, but I think it was a stupid and unnecessary gesture (and a complete waste of screen time for the lines) if so.
I think there were many moments of wasted screen time. And what makes it even more frustrating is that we get these bits here and there that could have easily been removed (Lee floating in the water for instance) and we never hae Adama mention to Lee and Kara exactly why he and Laura made the decision they did. Sadly, he'll have no clue that his son embraced death, in part, because of what he neglected to say.
I like your theory about the wireless not working, but I have a sneaking suspicion that you've thought this out more than RM did. ;) And your reasoning would definitely work for me and strengthen Jamie's interpretation of the scene if it was made perfectly clear he had no means of communication. All they needed to show was him attempting to relate to Dee where he was and her not repsonding directly.

I'm so disappointed that this storyline was left so ambiguous on all counts. This is one of those times where exposition would have been really, really nice. :)

I agree. I really did like this episode, but it left me disappointed because I knew it could have been better with just a little more effort. The podcast (which I'll probably post about tomorrow) did help to solidify some suspicions of mine regarding lapses in the narrative, but it also left me slightly ticked off because they knew about some of the problems and let them go.
What I'd like to know is, what was Dee thinking when she was listening in on Kara and Lee's conversation at the end??

As for the Golden Globes, loved Reese and Ryan, and was very happy for Hugh. As I looked at him, and George Clooney, I thought two things - that there is nothing better than a good looking man in a classic tux, and why do they look so good with gray hair when I look like an old crone? ;)
My guess is that Lee was going to check on Lee to see how he was doing and stopped before entering the pilot's quarters when she heard him talking with Kara. But, as edited, it looks like she's just lurking out their and being nosy.

and why do they look so good with gray hair when I look like an old crone?

Puh-leeze. You look at least ten years younger than your years and have blonde hair!