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BSG Ep 17: The Captain's Hand

I know its proper LJ edict to post all thoughts and reactions behind a cut tag. I would never, ever want to spoil anybody for OMG! What a fantastic episode! My show is back in form! Wheeeee!!! So moving along to the cut….

OK, I loved this episode. This is the Lee episode I’ve been waiting for and not in the ‘Hey, I’m spoiled’ sense, but in the ‘I have had certain hopes for Lee and I’m seeing those hopes come to fruition’ sense. So, before I get to why I feel this was one of the best episodes of the season, let me get my quibbles out of the way.

Previously on’s are meant to recap what we saw previously. They are not to be used as a method of filling in the blanks. It was quite obvious they took existing footage and looped in new dialogue. I don’t recall Gina telling Baltar to betray Roslin and run for president in the upcoming election. And I know Adama never mentioned Garner before and how he became the latest red shirt Pegasus commander. Enough Ron.

Lee and Dee. I have given this show every opportunity to convince me that this makes sense and is going to work. I throw my hands up. I am still a Lee/Laura shipper, but even I’ll admit that I saw more love and passion in the Lee/Kara hand hold and hug then in the Lee/Dee kissing and groping. Jamie nailed every other moment in this episode. I knew exactly what he was thinking and feeling. He can say more with a look than a lot of actors can with lines of dialogue. His rather passive expressions with Dee tell me there is no love there. And given her freak out at hearing the Pegasus had merely jumped, she’s being shown to be invested and, therefore, in for a world of pain. Unless she’s knocked up, which given all the talk of pregnancies and the need for making babies, who knows?

I’m torn on the exposition in the Lee/Dee scene. I appreciate that they established the timeline (though we’ve gone from moving at a snails pace to jumping ahead weeks at a time now), Tthat they are, once again, showing that people don’t heal overnight - Lee is fit to command (and apparently have sex ;), but not fly a Viper. And Lee’s been promoted and doesn’t much care (more on that later). However, I’d rather be shown this information than have it rapidly told to me all at once.

I’d complain about the trail of dead Pegasus commanders and that it needs to stop, but I think it’d safe to say it will with Lee in charge.

Everything else about this episode I adored. They tackled the abortion issue, color me shocked, and in a way that I felt was fair and non-judgmental. We had a myriad of different viewpoints. Sara’s viewpoint that under Gemanon law Rya is the property of her parents sickened me. However, Adama’s point I could see (and nice bit of continuity reminding Laura of her words from after the attacks) given the dire circumstances they are in. I can also understand Laura’s gut-wrenching reversal that goes against her personal beliefs after hearing Baltar’s damning (and false) information. But, in the long run, it will be a disastrous decision that will haunt Laura. The black market is still running. How long will it take before someone takes advantage of the need for women desiring abortions? And how many of these women will die?

I felt the abortion subplot may have been shoe-horned in up until Baltar’s announcement to the press. Then I understood, while an important issue, it served to set up a turn of events that I’m not sure Baltar can come back from. Six’s clapping at his triumph was chilling and seemed an affirmation that he’s given himself over to the cylon plan as it benefits him.

I’m certain Zarek was seeking more than a favor by withdrawing his name as candidate and backing Baltar. I’m sure he wants to maneuver himself into the VP position. But I wonder if he fell into the same trap as Laura did – siding with a devil he *thinks* he knows. I’m hoping that, like Laura, he finds he’s made a mistake and wouldn’t it be fascinating if those two joined forces?

I don’t want to steal danceswithwords thunder since I know she’ll have some great Kara observations. I do need to make mention of one of the comments she made on IM in regards to Kara wanting to punish herself - that she feels she needs to be punished. When I saw the scene between Lee and Kara in her quarters I knew she was right.

Kara begins trying to bate Lee as soon as he arrives on Pegasus. Though she claims otherwise, she’s obviously waiting for him in the corridor. She snipes at him for siding with Garner when, in fact, he is simply trying to maintain protocol and due his duty. When Lee calls for attention in the pilot’s briefing room, everyone does as he commands accept Kara. And she praises Stinger (He lives!) who is in the brig for mouthing off to Garner, as she does the same thing to Lee.

The scene between the two in her quarters is as painful as it is fascinating to watch. I didn’t pick up everything she said clearly on first viewing, but on rewatch what jumped out at me was her telling Lee that part of his job was to “keep loud-mouthed, disobedient, frak up Kara Thrace in line.” That’s exactly how she sees herself and her recent actions on Cloud 9 have only served to reinforce her low opinion. She informs him he’s failed at his job in an attempt to get his anger and disappointment to come forth and to confirm what she believes to be true about her. She wants that kick in the ass from him, literally. But Lee has made it clear he doesn’t want that kind of relationship anymore. When he states “You mean since I got shot?” there is an accusation there and bitterness and sarcasm, but immediately you see he regrets what he said and wishes he could take it back. It’s a huge leap in maturity from KLG.

Some people achieve greatness; some have greatness thrust upon them. Lee Adama is a result of both. Lee has always been capable of great things, but I don’t think he believed it until he was thrown into the belly of the beast. Up until the moment he was put in charge, he was adrift in his new role. He didn’t know where he stood with Kara. He couldn’t be the pilots friend anymore. He’s dealing with a commander resentful of his presence not only as a transfer from Galactica, but because he is a “viper jockey”. And while he’s done a pretty damn good job of making decisions under extreme duress in the past, he’s nearly always been following the orders of others. Now all the responsibility is on his shoulders.

I love the look of shock and terror on his face when Garner relinquishes command to him. It’s a real and honest reaction to the situation. I thought his stunned “I have the con” was on its way to becoming one of his repeated phrases to boost his self-confidence. But he realizes he can’t do that here, he must quickly get *his* people to follow him.

I mentioned earlier that his promotion to major meant nothing to him. I don’t think he thought he had earned it. But having survived trial under fire by making the right calls, he has a sense that he earned this. While the part of Lee who has always desired to please his father and make him proud and now feels he’s done so is nearly moved to tears by Adama handing him his promotion, there’s more to it than that. William Adama admitted he failed in choosing Garner to command Pegasus. Now he’s chosen Lee to help him redeem that mistake and himself and he wouldn’t give Lee this kind of responsibility unless he thought he could handle it.

I was blown away by the final scene between Lee and Kara. Not because they made peace in a very mature and healthy manner and all is as it should be again, but because Lee’s revelation as to why he’s been mad at her was not something I saw coming. Yet, it made perfect sense to me. Kara does buck authority at every turn and gets away with it. Lee did it once and he almost lost everything. He shows up on Pegasus to find her doing it all over again. I get why that would piss him off. Ever sense we’ve known him (and probably before) he’s tried to do the right thing and act in a way that was expected (I still say he would have gone back to dead Caprica girlfriend had the planet not been nuked). Even in his one attempt to disobey orders by helping Roslin keep her presidency, he was trying to protect the articles and stay true to his conscience. And he got thrown in the brig and estranged from his father (again) for it. Kara, in his mind, has always bounced back and gotten what she wanted. Now that he’s voiced and let go of this resentment, now that he seems to have found some contentment in his own life, I think we shall see a stronger Lee Adama and a stronger bond between the two.

Random bits I found of interest….

* Please tell me I didn’t hear the Pegasus communication guy called Hoshi? Let the Trek bitterness go Ron.

* The Galactica personnel are still considered outsiders. Have fun with the new job Lee!

* Lee: Once a mutineer always a mutineer. And it failed again. :(

* I’m glad they went in a totally different direction with Tori. She’s more experienced than Billy and probably better at her job. She’s also probably a Cylon.

* Tie for best exchange: “You’re the best pilot we got” / “About time you admit that.” and “You’ve got a brain?”

* The Cottle love grows. Not only am I sure he will continue to do abortions if asked (apparently he’s their only doctor, would they really throw him in the brig?) he throws out the suggestion that Rya was a victim of political persecution in need of asylum. The rolling of the eyes was the perfect finish.

* So Kara is now Galactica’s CAG. There is one on each ship. I’m very confused.

* Lee outranks Tigh. Tigh must take orders from a man he told wasn't fit to wear the uniform. Let the fun begin!

* Lee Adama in boxers. What? I had to mention it. Besides, he was getting dressed to report to Pegasus. It was an important part of the story. ;)
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I love how you go from the deeply profound to Jamie Bamber in his knickers. HEE!

Also glad to hear that you share both my head-desking and pregnancy speculation on the Lee/Dualla thing. I mean, come on, you show a frak-scene in an episode that just outlawed abortion. Chances are, it's more than just serving the exposition.

And I agree, this was one of the strongest episodes of the second half of the second season. It felt more like the BSG we know and love. If only I could scrub my eyeballs from that rack scene, I'd feel SO much better.



I love how you go from the deeply profound to Jamie Bamber in his knickers.

And Jamie in his knickers isn't deeply profound?! ;p

Since I went on at some length about the possible pregnancy in your LJ, I'll refrain from rehashing here.

I'm still hesitant to state that the show is back on track and it will be amazing eps from here on out, but TCH gave me a lot of hope...accept for possible pregnancy. Hey, it could always be Billy's kid! :)
Lee Adama in boxers. What? I had to mention it. Besides, he was getting dressed to report to Pegasus. It was an important part of the story. ;)
-It's official, I have thought he was hot before too....I must admit, but I REALLY saw it after this ep. I have to say, I really think he IS a GREAT actor. I *LOVED* the part where he realized that he "WAS" commander....and he repeats it to himself. "I am now in command." Brilliant!
I still think that I might be on the Lee/Kara shippers board. It's all about the chemistry.
Also,
Tie for best exchange: “You’re the best pilot we got” / “About time you admit that.” and “You’ve got a brain?”
I really loved the "You've got a brain?"....that was my favorite line.
BOTTOM LINE......could we get a little more Helo?
He's not the most interesting of the characters by any mean, but I like the eye candy! Lee's not too bad either. ;)
In the second half of the season I've found my admiration of Helo growing (he's actually quite interesting when his storyline is not solely tied to Sharon). And your appreciation of Lee has grown (YAY!). We amuse me. :)

I'm not going to spoil you, but I will say that I've seen promo pics from the next ep and at least one had Helo in it. :-)
YAY! more Helo! That makes me very HAPPY!
A little Lee thrown in wouldn't be bad either. Think that they might have some scene where Helo is in his undies too? Then Lee in his...locker room scene. SOMETHING.....this all kinda sounds slashy. HMMMM, leaves a girls mind to wonder!
JUST SAYIN'!
Completely agree with you on all points, especially about Lee and Dee. Their scene felt forced made me feel vaguely uncomfortable, and the final Lee/Kara scene had me tearing up.
The black market is still running. How long will it take before someone takes advantage of the need for women desiring abortions? And how many of these women will die?
^^^Agreed: outlawing abortion isn't going to stop all the women who want one from getting one, and so many procedures will probably be botched that the birth/death rate will get even more frakked up than it may already have been. Good call on the black market though: I hadn't even thought of the business they will start to get with this development....

I’m hoping that, like Laura, he finds he’s made a mistake and wouldn’t it be fascinating if those two joined forces?
^^^Laura and Zarek soooo need to get together...in the political sense. Laura had a negative view of Zarek from the start (understandable I suppose): she assumes that every idea he has some crazy radical plot - she really should give the guy a chance.

I'm with you on the Lee/Kara scene - it was brilliant.
and so many procedures will probably be botched that the birth/death rate will get even more frakked up than it may already have been.

And once the procedures are botched where will they end up? On Galactica being treated by Cottle. Who, bless him, will have something to say about the rash decision that was made.

Since Laura now knows that Baltar was with a known Cylon prior to the attacks and she made an effort to rid herself of him in 'Black Market', she must be suspicious if he played a part in the destruction of the colonies. When she eventually gets some sort of proof her suspicions are correct, aligning with a known terrorist who was at least fighting for his people won't seem so bad.
Jamie was right on in this episode. I didn't expect any less from him, but still, just guh! He is both subtle and yet so expressive.

That wide shot when he appears so small after just having received command from Garner is one of my favorite shots. Hell, all of his scenes with PapAdama and Kara were terrific. I'll have to rewatch the Lee/Dee scene, I also think he was rather blah with her.
That wide shot when he appears so small after just having received command from Garner is one of my favorite shots.

That was a great shot. I've seen some comments made about how small Lee looked, referring to Jamie's stature. Granted, he's not the tallest guy in the world, but he generally doesn't look that small. I think it was the decision of the director (and an excellent one) to convey just how isolated and overwhelmed Lee was feeling. It's also a nice contrast to the shots of him in the viper where he seems to fit perfectly and appears at home.
I think it was the decision of the director (and an excellent one) to convey just how isolated and overwhelmed Lee was feeling. It's also a nice contrast to the shots of him in the viper where he seems to fit perfectly and appears at home.

I agree with this assesment completely. And you'll note we haven't actually seen him personally piloting a ship, even a raptor, since his "space walk." I suspect he's going to be confronted with the whole desire to fly/be in his comfort zone vs the new roles and responsibilities thrust upon him by PapAdama. He's made a peace with his father, and seems to be basking in his pride, but that's a lot of weight on already heavy shoulder. (of course, those lovely arms will help, but STILL, lol)

even I’ll admit that I saw more love and passion in the Lee/Kara hand hold and hug then in the Lee/Dee kissing and groping WOW. That says a lot! I like both of them, just not together. Unmixy things.

Six's clapping (the sound of one hand clapping?) seemed to eerily mimic the ovation that Adama gives to Roslin at the end of Home Pt2, as though she had the entire Cylon fleet applauding Gaius. CREEPY.
I like Lee and I like Dee. I don't even hate seeing them as a couple like I did with say Buffy and Riley. ;) But I'm just confused as to what the show is trying to tell us/show us with them. Yeah, they're kind of cute together, but I see Dee as really being into Lee and not so much the other way around. Is it intentional?

Nice point about Six representing the Cylon fleet. I hand't thought about it in those terms. Are they aware of this turn of events?
Concensus of my friends watching BSG is the show is better this week. Unforetuneately with S1 DVD at hand, it still isn't up to the standard set there.

For me there is too much of the last few episodes that was edited like the "previoisly" segments, where information or scenese are spliced together and my disbelief is renewed as I'm trying to figure out what has happened.

I did enjoy all the Lee/Kara dialogues, and felt the acting was very good in this ep.

I notice as of this morning still no podcast on this one.
I recall the podcast appearing on a Monday once. Maybe we'll still get one or maybe I'm off the hook this week. ;)

I didn't really feel there were any editing problems this week. Lee's rapid acension to command may have been a little rushed, but how many command worthy officers do they have? And having read someone else's post, it struck me that Kara has supposedly only been on the Pegasus for four days, so for the past three and a half weeks have Lee and Kara been avoiding each other on the Galactica?
I greatly enjoyed your review. It put a big grin on my face about this episode all over again. I particularly liked your breakdown of Lee's revelation to Kara in their final scene together. It was such a great scene!

Lee outranks Tigh
Oh, goodness, I hadn't even thought of that! Whee!
Thank you! I haven't enjoyed an episode this much in quite some time.

It also struck me this morning that in addition to Lee outranking Tigh, that the Pegasus CAG, Stinger, who once tried to put Lee in his place *and* pulled a gun on him is now under Lee's command. I hope they get the actor back so we can see them face to face again. :)
YAY.

I’m hoping that, like Laura, he finds he’s made a mistake and wouldn’t it be fascinating if those two joined forces?

Oooh. That would be fascinating. In a bizarre way, I almost want Baltar to get elected, just because it would be such a complete shakeup of the current situation. Then again, humanity would be fucked, so I dunno. :)

Very interesting thoughts about that initial confrontation with Lee and Kara. That's one downside to fighting with someone you know very well; Lee can really hit Kara where it hurts at times, and she takes it because he can't possibly think any worse of her than she thinks of herself, but I appreciate that--unlike KLG--you can immediately see the regret on his face, and though he doesn't say anything (because, after all, he's not entirely wrong), he knows he's crossed the line. And yet they still work well togther--I love that he presents a united front between them to Adama, regarding what happened to the Raptors--and that is just lovely.

And as you know, I was huge with the Lee love in this episode. :) My only hesitation is that I fear that the show might have gone there too soon, with his promotion, but I very much hope to be proved wrong.

Please tell me I didn’t hear the Pegasus communication guy called Hoshi?

I heard that, too, and cringed. Fucking Hoshi. Fucking Enterprise.

And yes. Cottle = awesome. I loved that the girl was all, "Yeah, I want that asylum thing," and Adama was like, "THANKS A LOT, DOC." Hee. Awesome.
An interesting aspect of Lee and Kara's relationship that they conveyed here is that even when they are angry with each other, they still work well together. He not only ordered her into the fight he went on to tell her it was because she was the best pilot they had. And that scene took place between the confrontaion in Kara's quarters and them making up aboard Galactica which says a lot about them.

I heard that, too, and cringed. Fucking Hoshi. Fucking Enterprise.

Hee. Well, I'm glad someone else picked up on it too. I thought I was just having flashbacks. ;)
I saw more love and passion in the Lee/Kara hand hold and hug then in the Lee/Dee kissing and groping

I'm glad you say this, because I've been wondering if my frustration at the way Lee/Dee has been shown so far has been coloring my view. He just seems so much more emotionally present with Kara, or with Adama for that matter. I wish I knew whether or not it's intentional.

Unless she’s knocked up, which given all the talk of pregnancies and the need for making babies, who knows?

Oh, ack, I hadn't even thought of that. I hope that's not the case. I'm hoping it has more to do with the Cylon pregnancy that's coming to term as we speak.

I’m certain Zarek was seeking more than a favor by withdrawing his name as candidate and backing Baltar. I’m sure he wants to maneuver himself into the VP position. But I wonder if he fell into the same trap as Laura did – siding with a devil he *thinks* he knows. I’m hoping that, like Laura, he finds he’s made a mistake and wouldn’t it be fascinating if those two joined forces?

Oh, that would be excellent. Because Zarek wants the power, and he sees Baltar as a tool to get it, but nobody knows what a very interesting perspective Baltar has. (And by "interesting," I mean "Cylon.") Zarek is dodgy in his own way, but I don't doubt for a minute that the continuation of the human race is important to him; he just thinks he knows best how to bring it about. The Roslin-Zarek-Baltar triangulation has some interesting possibilities.

Lee: Once a mutineer always a mutineer.

I actually think that in this case Garner was the mutineer--he was disobeying a direct order, and Lee was taking the proper measures to see that order carried out, using what sounded like specific legal language to do so. So I took it as more of an opposite reflection of his earlier mutiny--the first one didn't work, and now he's on the side of right and that didn't work so well either. Which was a nice lead-in to his admission to Kara that he resents her for getting away with situations like that when he can't.

I wonder if there is some kind of award for Character Who Appears In Two Minutes of Every Third Episode and Yet Is So Awesome It Defies Description? Because Doc Cottle would win for sure.
I wish I knew whether or not it's intentional.

Simply because Jamie did such an excellent job of conveying Lee's emotions in every other seen, I have to go with it's intentional that we aren't seeing the love from him with Dee.

Zarek is dodgy in his own way, but I don't doubt for a minute that the continuation of the human race is important to him; he just thinks he knows best how to bring it about.

I think I mentioned in Bryn's post that while Zarek can be a selfish bastard, I have no doubt that he would never sell out the human race to the Cylons and that he wants to see the fleet survive and start over somewhere. As you said, he just doesn't agree with Laura's methods and thinks he could do better. At various times, I've agreed with each of their differing persepectives and I think those differences could actually make them work well together.

Ya know, I think Doc Cottle may be the only character on the show that everyone loves. :)
Ever wonder why Commander Gardner has to open the valves? If it's a backup system, then somebody has to close the primary valves first. But since it's never mentioned, I suppose it could have worked either way.

If Gardner took some duct tape with him, he could have easily stopped the air leak, or at least buy him a lot more time. Our own astronauts have used duct tape for just that purpose. But it seemed like the air was leaking the wrong way, in instead of out.

Glad they really didn't weren't realistic when Gardner died. In a vacuum, even when dead, blood would boil with predictable and messy results. Basic thermodynamics.

In any case, this episode was fast paced (for BSG), previous plots were advanced, and was well written/acted.

Lee being promoted to Commander might be looked upon as an act of nepotism by Admiral Adama. One wonders how Col. Tigh or mainly his wife Ellen will feel about that move or being bypassed. Interesting setup for possible conflicts in the future.

Next weeks previews indicate we are in for another good, if not great, episode.