Asta 2

Podcast for 'Downloaded'

This one was significantly less anger inducing. ;)



Ron kept the assishness to a minimum in this one. Though, as predicted, he still brought up the “whining”…twice. There was some good scoop though. And given the numerous mentions of edits made, the rough cut must have run well over an hour. Now, on to the show!

This is one of his favorite episodes.

OK, I now see where some of the confusion came regarding ‘Downloaded’ and its production status. The first attempt at this story was called ‘The Raid’ (and I recall seeing this title among an episode listing at the Gateway site). The plot of that script involved the Cylons (or should we say Cylon now?) meeting at a space station to discuss the “human problem” and come up with the “the final solution”. The concept was based on the Wansee Conference. But the writers realized that with the holocaust the Cylons had already come up with a final solution. The ‘B’ story was to involve the Galactica being aware of space station, sending a group to raid the archives, and obtain information on earth while the conference was going on. Caprica Six, meanwhile, is having hallucinations about Baltar and the raiding party. When she actually encounters the group, she ends up letting them go.

Ron talks about how the Six and Baltar in each others minds provide symmetry. Both have been changed in a fundamental way by their experiences with one another. Both have guilt and share a psychosis over the destruction of the colonies. For Six, her psychology was also altered by the event. She has a belief in a loving god, yet now does that gel with participating in the destruction of all these people? She has a desire to be loved, but used the love of the man she loved and twisted it.

The reason we didn’t see all twelve Cylons was because they didn’t want to give away so many things. Gee, you didn’t want to do that in the second season? Who’d have thunk it? :p

The Helo/Sharon/Hera storyline originally played a much larger role in the episode. There was a kidnapping plot involving the D’Anna from ‘Final Cut’, Gina, and Baltar. D’Anna does another interview with Laura and confronts her about the rumors of the baby. Later, she makes her way to the Galactica’s medical facility with an equipment case rigged with life support to keep the baby alive. She tries to force her way in saying she has the presidents permission to take pictures to show Hera is just a baby like any other. Helo then comes out and says something along the lines of ‘She’s dead you bitch’ to D’Anna. The entire storyline was cut because there were too many Cylons and they feared confusion as to who is who and who knows what. And the story seemed to play fine without all the melodrama, imho.

D’Anna could have just had Sharon killed for her refusal to get with the Cylon program, but as the “children of humanity” they feel they are not like us, thus the attempts to reason with her instead.

While Ron concerned himself with the big picture, Eik finessed the scenes and concentrated on the character details.

Six and Baltar know how to manipulate human beings and were doing so before the attacks. Each now is emphasizing that part of the other in their subconscious. So, are they really just figments of their imaginations?

Um, Ron states that the show has talked about Anders ever since Kara left in ‘The Farm’. Not so much. Or else we wouldn’t have gone ‘Huh?’ in ‘Scar’.

They wanted to do a scene where they actually went to the rubble of Baltar’s house, but couldn’t afford the cost nor did they have enough time to do it.

In every take of Anders setting up the trigger for the bomb, the actor took puffs on the cigarette. They realized in editing that would probably ruin the whole three minute timing thing they had worked out and had to do some tricky cutting.

James isn’t playing Baltar, but Six’s idea of Baltar and the man she fell in love with. The same can be said for Baltar and his imaginary Six. Neither version is quite accurate. It’s all about perception.

There was dialogue between Helo and Tyrol on the raptor in which Tyrol thanks him for doing this with him. In addition to fighting a time issue, it was deemed unnecessary. The scene was more powerful with Tyrol just being there.

Sending Hera away to be raised by someone else was to echo the story of Moses. In that case, this really is going to bite Laura in the ass. ;p

In RS Pt 2, when Lee is floating, he was to see the entire cast standing in the water as he struggled to shore. For a variety of reasons the scene was excised, but Ron loved the dialogue (he wrote) so much he gave some of it to Six’s Baltar to say at the end.

And I finally have a Six icon!
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Um, Ron states that the show has talked about Anders ever since Kara left in ‘The Farm’.

Whaaaa? Why do I read these things? Argh.
I've watched all the eps, Ron. I don't think Anders was mentioned ONCE.

Anyhow, this:

"James isn’t playing Baltar, but Six’s idea of Baltar and the man she fell in love with. The same can be said for Baltar and his imaginary Six"

is really interesting, and now I'm desperate for CapricaSix and Boltar to meet, so they can go "Uh, this isn't how I remember it" at each other.
I'm desperate for CapricaSix and Boltar to meet, so they can go "Uh, this isn't how I remember it" at each other.

It thought about this watching the ep. I do think the Balter in Six's head is a bit closer to the real thing whereas the Six on Caprica seems much different then the Six Baltar has come to imagine/know. But, yes, I think if (hopefully when) they meet, they are going to have a rude awakening because the person they are in love with is a person who no longer exists. And I believe Six has actually come to the point that she'd be horrified at some of Baltar's recent actions.
Um, Ron states that the show has talked about Anders ever since Kara left in ‘The Farm’. Not so much. Or else we wouldn’t have gone ‘Huh?’ in ‘Scar’.

Uh, what? You know, I wonder sometimes whether Ron's actually watched the final edits of the episodes all the way through, so he's always just remembering stuff that ended up getting cut. I can believe that originally there might have been some references to Anders, but if so, certainly none of it was aired.

I am really glad they didn't go through with the Cylon baby kidnapping thing, as I think that would've been over the top and overly confusing.

Also, I really, really, really want Caprica!Six and Real!Baltar to meet, if only so she can be shocked and appalled by him.

As always, thanks for sitting through these so the rest of us don't have to!
The baby kidnapping plot seemed convaluted and overly dramatic to me. I think we got what we needed to get out of it.

I think Ron sees the final edits of the eps - from what he says it would appear that he's pretty heavily involved in the editing process. However, I'm wondering if he is confusing what they wrote with what ended up on screen. Maybe there were more references to Anders that were cut. Or maybe Ron believes we were suppose to just know that was the underlying reason for Kara's problems. But, other than Scar, I don't recall his name mentioned.
Um, Ron states that the show has talked about Anders ever since Kara left in ‘The Farm’.

I want the drugs Ron's taking.

Sending Hera away to be raised by someone else was to echo the story of Moses.

It's neat that they have this in mind, because, I think, "Scattered" at the beginning of the season had a lot of Moses imagery and themes--the bullrushes by the river, Adama taking the baby to drown in the river, the idea of the child as destined to be taken in and raised by one people, but to go on to save its own.


And I finally have a Six icon!


Me too! We are growing as people.
I think, "Scattered" at the beginning of the season had a lot of Moses imagery and themes--the bullrushes by the river, Adama taking the baby to drown in the river, the idea of the child as destined to be taken in and raised by one people, but to go on to save its own.

Dang. I hadn't thought about that, but excellent observation. It renews my faith that they do have some grand plan if the first ep of the season can be tied to the 18th. :)

Me too! We are growing as people.

Hee!
Again I skipped the post and comments.

Just here to point out that your icon is really more of a 12.