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Free At Last! AKA The Last Podcast of Season 2 ;)

I thought (hoped?) this podcast was going to be more interesting than it was. There was much rambling about stuff that seemingly had nothing to do with the episode and much praise of the cast, which was nice but not particularly enlightening.

One thing before I cut away, they were discussing how they did multiple edits on this episode because they were uncertain if Sci-Fi would give them the extra time they requested. In fairness to the network, from their explanation, it does seem to be a major scheduling headache when an ep runs long. As they were discussing scenes that were cut and then added back in after Sci-Fi gave the OK, David Eik mentions that an hour cut still exists for the international market. I’m not sure if “international” means every country outside the U.S. or not. Just a heads up to my friends in Canada when it finally airs there.



The Tyrol/Cally scene at the beginning is not in the international cut of the ep. So, I guess folks around the world get to play guess who the baby’s daddy is?

They like Tory a lot and we will see more of her. Ron talked about writing episodes 1 and 2 right now and needing to work her in somehow.

Ron liked Anders the best in this ep. We got to see more of him. Gee, you think those two things are related?

Laura’s scene confronting Baltar was cut at one point. As was the Ellen/Tigh scene aboard Galactica. One thing that still remains absent from the scene is Tigh telling Ellen that they’ll go down to the planet after one year and her agreeing to that arrangement.

The Kara/Anders/Lee scene: Ron just loves the scene and how great Kara/Katee is in it. David (though he wasn’t able to say much) seemed to understand better that this was far from a good moment for her. Ron goes on to explain she’s as hateful as she’s ever been (that’s a good thing?), yet there is something so pure about her reactions. She’s a kid on some level. She’s the happiest she’s ever been and she’s having an indulgent moment, not thinking about anything but her happiness. And poor Lee has been coveting and wishing and now gets to play the part of watching his ‘girlfriend’ with the other guy. The scene went on much longer with Anders picking up Kara and carrying her to bed.

Btw, the way Kara acted in the scene - the playfulness - that’s how Katee is in real life.

Cavil will be back. YAY! No surprise to me. Blow two out the airlock, there’s a backup somewhere.

Has anyone read the rumor that EJO is leaving the show? It started with the podcast. People need to listen to the *entire* commentary. Ron and David joke about how he won’t be back because they are going with a CGI Eddie in season 3. :p

EJO didn’t want to say the line with the word “gods” in it because Adama doesn’t believe in the gods.

Baltar’s girls and pills were Michael Rymer’s idea.

I didn’t catch this, but the cradle that Hera/Isis was in is the same white cradle that Baltar saw in his visions on Kobol.

"Fat Lee" was the thing David most worried about. Not because it’s an abomination as we see it ;), but because the makeup they used is tricky and they weren’t sure if would work.

Kandyse, they think, came up with the idea to give Lee some attitude when she hands the phone to him. But what does it mean???

OK, I hadn’t thought about it, but with skeleton crews on both ships it seems that Dee and Helo are XO’s now. Anyone else scared by that thought? Future episodes will show the circumstances as to how things came to be, such as how Dee came to be on the Pegasus.

They didn’t forget about the Sharon on Galactica – we’ll find out where’s she’s at next season.

James stayed up all night and drank to prepare for Baltar’s final scene. He wanted Baltar to look as bad as possible. Talk about dedication to your work!
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I didn’t catch this, but the cradle that Hera/Isis was in is the same white cradle that Baltar saw in his visions on Kobol.
Oh cool!

Cavil will be back.
I kinda figured all the cylons would have to come back if there are only twelve models. Speaking of which, if the cylons have taken over and captured the remaining humans, I wonder if they'll try to get away with not showing us the remaining models (like in Downloaded) or if they'll all be revealed next season.

James stayed up all night and drank to prepare for Baltar’s final scene.
Aw, talk about a slave to the craft. ;-)
I thought the thing with the crib was pretty cool too. Either Ron or David said that they got a call from someone (prop person maybe?) asking if they could use it again for this ep and they thought it was a good idea.

I think it's safe to assume we'll see more Cylon models revealed, but I doubt we'll know all twelve next season. My guess is they'll save some big reveal for the final season. I believe I read somehwere that Mary McDonnell hopes it's not her. ;)
OK, I hadn’t thought about it, but with skeleton crews on both ships it seems that Dee and Helo are XO’s now. Anyone else scared by that thought? Future episodes will show the circumstances as to how things came to be, such as how Dee came to be on the Pegasus.

Okay so there are so many things that I can't stand about the back half of this season, but this has to be one of the things that annoys me the most....They are the XO's for fracks sake!! It's pathetic in more ways then I can say right now and don't get me started on how they have apparently thrown out the fraternization regs so that it suits them!!!! I really tried to give the whole Lee/Dee thing a chance but I'm sorry I HATE the damn thing - they haven't sold it to me in any way shape or form and instead have me hating a character (Dee) who I didn't hate before, so well done RDM and Co *slow hands caps sarcastically*

Sorry didn't mean to rant all over your lj my dear *grins*

Thank you very much for your dedication, which went way beyond the call of duty at times, in listening to some of the crap in these podcasts this season. Heck I've got to the point where I can't even watch the episodes let alone listen to the podcasts!
Given the dwindling species, I don't have a big problem with the fraternization policy or lack there of. The fact that Helo and Dee are now XOs show how dire the situation is. I'm not trying to insult them, but Dee has no command experience and her job was basically relaying calls and keeping track of ships. Helo's main concern up until this point has been his Cylon girfriend and their child. And he, too, has no substantial command experience. I do understand they have a sever shortage of personal, but Tigh was willing to stay on Galactica and back up Adama. Adama lets him go believing they are done with the Cylons. Big mistake.

Maybe this is part of the reason Lee is on not great terms with Kara. He thought this day may come and she opted to leave the fleet.
"She’s a kid on some level. She’s the happiest she’s ever been and she’s having an indulgent moment, not thinking about anything but her happiness."

That's better than I thought actually. I thought there was a level of deliberation in her actions to prove to Lee and herself that she didn't love him.
On second viewing it was clear to me that while her actions were selfish and insensitive, they weren't deliberate. I could understand Lee being upset that she's so wrapped up in her happiness she's oblivious as to how he feels being pushed aside as he was, but I don't think he thought she was trying to prove a point to him.
Hee. It's funny reading your reaction and Miranda's above and how this same bit of information makes you look at the character in such different ways. ;) I do have to wonder if liquor wasn't involved she would have been much more sensitive and definitely more aware of how she was acting. Anders seemed less inebriated and, I agree, did not look comfortable with her behavior. He had the 'I can't believe you said that' look when she made the crack about frakking Dee. What's really disappointing is that upon Lee and Kara's initial greeting and hug that showed so much affection I was getting ready for a really nice scene. Instead, I was alternately cringing and getting pissed during it. :(

Fat Lee has to be the worst idea since Greedo shooting first. Hear that Ron? I'm comparing you to George Lucas now!
I'm usually a stickler for continuity, but if Ron is willing to admit this was a horrible, horrible mistake, and have Jamie come back as is, I'm willing to let it slide this time. I won't even mock him in the first podcast!
Fat Lee has to be the worst idea since Greedo shooting first. Hear that Ron? I'm comparing you to George Lucas now!

Why did you let me read that part just after I took a sip of hot cocoa? Biatch!
Well, I am evil. And let's just be thankful you weren't sipping cocoa and holding a toddler. :)
You certainly did yeoman's service this year, thank you!

I wish I could discuss this coherently, but I think I need to watch it again before I can. So much to take in.

I am very happy Dean Stockwell will be back, he was so good. There must some "Quantum Leap" fans among the creators :) He's a great veteran actor.
And did you know that Dean was in the final Thin Man film - 'Song of the Thin Man'? He played Nick Jr. I feel so connected to the show! :)
Ron goes on to explain she’s as hateful as she’s ever been (that’s a good thing?), yet there is something so pure about her reactions. She’s a kid on some level. She’s the happiest she’s ever been and she’s having an indulgent moment, not thinking about anything but her happiness.

Actually, I think "kid" is a good description, because she's being really immature and giddy and thoughtless. I wish we'd gotten a better view of how that continued kidlike side of her could coexist with what had seemed, until this episode, to be a growing maturity in a lot of areas.

I figured that the exclusion of the Sharon on Galactica from the one-year-later scenes was deliberate. I'm dying of curiosity to see what she's been up to. Since Helo doesn't strike me as the type to stick to the military to the end, I can imagine him staying on Galactica to be near her.
I wish we'd gotten a better view of how that continued kidlike side of her could coexist with what had seemed, until this episode, to be a growing maturity in a lot of areas.

That could have contributed to my initial knee-jerk anger at her behavior. They had both made such leaps in maturity in recent episodes and Lee was obviously continuing along that line, taking the high road, only to get Kara being self-absorbed and insensitive. It was a shock to the system. I had no problem with her finally finding some happiness and expressing it, but I think the scene would have worked better if they had just dropped the 'still frakkin Dualla?' and 'where did he go?'. Way to stomp on your best friends feelings.

Given that Galactica was down to a skeleton crew, Sharon may be working on raptor and vipor maintenance. ;p
One thing I got from the podcast is just how trusting Eick and Moore are of their directors. All of those little details that I just eat up? Can't believe that they aren't giving themselves more of a say about them. Thank goodness directors like Rymer are in fact such perfectionists, in tune with Galactica's vision, and a stickler for details. It also makes me wonder about all of the little inconsistencies we've been seeing in character over time and how much of that is each individual director's take on the character, etc. Sort of like some of the schizophrenia we started seeing in Buffy around the time Joss delegated a bit more to his peeps.
I think they are trusting of the directors because, for the most part, they know them. Eik and Moore have worked on a lot of shows and I have a feeling that many of the directors on BSG they have worked with before or know by reputation. Rymer, in particular, I think has a lot of say in the shows he's directing because he's been there from the beginning and seems to have an excellent grasp of the characters. I can't recall them mentioning a single idea that he's contributed that I thought was a bad one. And I recently read an interview with Ron where he was pissed Rymer was off shooting a pilot for ABC right now.
I didn’t catch this, but the cradle that Hera/Isis was in is the same white cradle that Baltar saw in his visions on Kobol.
Oh THAT's interesting.

"Fat Lee" was the thing David most worried about. Not because it’s an abomination as we see it ;), but because the makeup they used is tricky and they weren’t sure if would work.
Good lord. Well I hope this means they'll trim him down improbably fast at the start of the season!

Kandyse, they think, came up with the idea to give Lee some attitude when she hands the phone to him. But what does it mean???
She's struggling to get something--anything--interesting for her character to do?

OK, I hadn’t thought about it, but with skeleton crews on both ships it seems that Dee and Helo are XO’s now. Anyone else scared by that thought?
Yuh! Like VERY.

James stayed up all night and drank to prepare for Baltar’s final scene. He wanted Baltar to look as bad as possible. Talk about dedication to your work!
I'm delighted by this. It worked to great affect for me: I found that scene convincingly debauched and loved it.

Thanks again! I do so like your podcast wrap-ups.
Well I hope this means they'll trim him down improbably fast at the start of the season!

The really funny thing is I saw recent photos of him and he actually looked leaner. It could have been the fact he was wearing all black, but maybe he's also changed his training program and dropped some muscle mass. Not that I'd mind. The arms were getting a wee bit big. ;)

She's struggling to get something--anything--interesting for her character to do?

Interesting point. Dee has had some good moments, such as when she's able to convince Adama to reunite the fleet. But we really don't know much about her. Actually, she reminds me of Helo in that respect. That the picture we are forming of them is strongly tied to their relationships. I didn't have any sense of who Helo was as a person until he was able to pick up his friendship with Kara and could begin interacting with other members of Galactica. With Dee, she was first labeled as the hope of humanity with the prospect of having babies with Billy and now she's Lee's girlfriend. :/
Mmmmm lean Jamie! Yum!

That the picture we are forming of them is strongly tied to their relationships.
So true! I have nothing against Dee per se, but I don't really know much about her. And Helo definitely suffered from the same syndrome. They are just the 'supportive girlfriend' or 'loving boyfriend' figures. I'd like them to be more than that, and at least Helo has the friendship with Kara. Does Dee have friends? She's a mystery to me.