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The Extended Version of 'Pegasus'

And starting tomorrow, we get to talk about new BSG! Wheeeee!!!



FYI, I did not watch the rape/attempted rape scene. I caught the very, very end of it as I hit play again and that was enough for me.

Also, these are just the highlights of what was added. There are several scenes where an extra line of dialogue was included or an establishing shot was longer, but I couldn’t account for all those. Now, on to the show…

Kara briefs Laura and Adama about her plan to go back to Caprica, with Galactica as support, and jump in and out before the Cylons know what hit them. Hey, it gets better! She wants to leave the fleet in the care of a raptor and 7 vipers. Adama and Laura look incredulous. When they question her about leaving the fleet in the care of a handful of vipers Kara points out "And a raptor." Um, yeah, that makes all the difference. This brilliant idea will also require them to make 241 jumps (a conservative estimate according to Adama), to reach Caprica.. Worst. Plan. Ever. As Laura tells her she respects what she’s trying to do, *but*…they are interrupted by the arrival of the Pegasus.

Adama, Laura, and Tigh talk as they go to meet Cain. Laura learns a little background information on Cain. She’s a very young officer, was on the fast track, very tough, and very well connected. Anxious crew members run by them and Tigh wants to clear the deck, but Laura tells him to let it go, it’s a big moment for them all.

Cain meets and recognizes Baltar ("Good to see you"). It’s cute how excited and flattered he is by this.

Adama, Cain, and Laura have an extended conversation in his quarters in which we find out in greater detail what happened to the Pegasus. A nuclear blast blinded Cylon dradis so they were unable to know Pegasus survived the attack. The ship was heavily damaged and over 700 men were lost. She initiated a blind jump which, she admits, was a desperate call to make.

On a side note, I didn’t realize how unwell Laura seems in many of these scenes with Adama and Cain. Mary was really doing a terrific job of showing Laura’s failing health.

Cain meets Sharon and while she’ll look at her, she won’t speak directly to her. I noticed Baltar calls Sharon "it" rather than to refer to her by name. I assume this is for Cain’s benefit.

A longer cut of Adama and Tigh discussing Tigh’s talk with Fisk. Adama tells him not to jump to conclusions, wait for the facts, that context matters and reminds Tigh that they shot down a civilian transport with a 1000 people on board. Tigh makes an excellent suggestion that they request to see Cain’s logs.

We see Pegasus sharing supplies with Galactica. Tyrol gets a gift of spec parts from the Pegasus deck gang and comments, "Cally, I’m starting to like that ship". Gaeta gets a bunch of tech stuff including Pegasus’ digital library to replace what they lost when they had to delete everything in Galactica’s computer memory. He asks if there is any porn in there? ;) Then we cut to Laura and Adama talking about resupplying which was in the aired version.

Baltar, Cain, and Fisk talk about Baltar’s technique for acquiring information form Cylons. It’s pointed out that Gina killed over 800 members of her crew (Um, what happened to the 700? I’m sensing the number gets bigger every time the story is told ;) by allowing centurions to board the ship. Baltar tells Cain, "My job is not extermination, it’s investigation."

Line that made me laugh - Baltar to Fisk, "Lovely ship. Looks very new."

Exposition alert! We find out that Pegasus is mercury class and twice the size of Galactica, but needs only half the crew. Cain refers to Galactica as being a classic and she appreciates the classics.

Larry takes over the deck from Tyrol and is extremely apologetic about it.

There’s a little more of Stinger/Kara conversation in the pilot’s briefing. She might even say "this is shit" under her breath.

The Standoff a bit longer. Seriously, letting tensions escalate the way they did makes NO sense. Pegasus and Galactica can blow each other up and then let the Cylons destroy the rest of the fleet.

I also listened to the new commentary by Moore and Eick for ‘Pegasus’ in preparation for a new season of podcasts which I listen to so you don’t have to. ;)



They actually cut a 90 minute version of the episode, the studio watched it, and thought it dragged. It’s possible they were correct. While interesting to watch, I didn’t feel the added material really added much to the story. Throw in commercials and I may have been looking at the clock when it aired.

Unlike LDYB Pt 2, what needed to go was not critical to the storytelling just information that went deeper, made things more dimensional, and added texture. In the case of Kara’s attitude towards Adama in this episode and RS and why she was more inclined to listen to Cain, her cut scene helped to provide context. .

They remarked that a strong aspect of Michael Rymer’s direction is that he is able to convey what isn’t being said. He captures the subtext and brings a strong POV with the characters.

They mentioned how for ‘33’ they chopped pieces of plot development in order to accommodate the Tigh/Adama noodle scene just because they loved it so much and was a nice character beat. Insert your own noodle jokes here.

Rymer, James, and Tricia concocted Baltar’s interaction with Gina on set - not much in the way of direction was scripted.

Eddie has an acting habit of not making eye contact with characters he doesn’t like. He’s very consistent about it (apparently) and you see him look at Cain a lot. Adama does respect her. Watch season 1 of the show and you’ll see he doesn’t look at Mary/Laura much.

They mock Glen Larson (creator of the original BSG)

There is a discussion of the Lee/Kara dynamic and how it can go from brother/sister to sexually charged. They describe the “family unit” on the show with Adama as dad and Laura as the mother figure, but their roles are reversed. Laura is playing the more traditional, patriarchal role. She’s in charge of everything, she’s more removed, and she’s not available to any of her family emotionally. Adama, the father, is more emotional, more connected to the kids, and plays more of the caregiver role – he listens to them, while mom’s out at the office. Eh. I’m not sure I completely agree with this. I don’t see Laura as that emotionally distant or self-absorbed. And when does Adama listen to Lee???

There was, not surprisingly, much debate as to how much of the rape/attempted rape to show. The network had a strong reaction to what they were originally shown, in part because what was filmed was not how it appeared in the script. The aired version is closer to what was written. Rymer went in a darker, stronger direction, making it as disturbing as possible. They wanted to be clear as to the nature of what was really going – how ugly, brutal and violent it was. They didn’t want to shy away from it or make it almost ok by doing it off camera or possibly conveying it wasn’t *that* bad. I have to side with the network here. What we did see was enough to convey how bad it was. Seriously, two men holding a screaming woman down while a third unbuckles his pants is too subtle? Add in Gina’s broken psyche and badly beaten body and we know how horrific things were on Pegasus.

David and Ron didn’t buy the argument from the network that they’d lose female viewers over any of it. Funny, I know of three female viewers they’ve lost.
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Well, you already know I agree that the extended cut adds some nice context but didn't change my reading of the story. I'm also interested to hear about EJO's eye-contact issues. I'll be watching carefully for that in future. If that's true it's a pretty awesome thing to choose to do and be consistant about.

Rest of this is long. When am I not?

I'm interested in what they have to say about the "family dynamic". Obviously, the last thing I want is for Laura to be placed in a parental role with regards to Lee! That said I think what they're saying rings true metaphorically if not literally. I don't think that Laura's inherently emotionally distant or that Adama and Lee communicate well. But in the wider scheme of things, Laura does isolate herself to cope with her responsibilities and Adama does try to encourage emotional bonds between himself and his crew. If you look at Adama and Roslin as the "parental" figureheads of the fleet, then yeah, Roslin's the disciplinarian to Adama's more personal approach.

I also agree with the producers that Roslin's capacity for brutality and Adama's capacity for the emo is an interesting choice and reversal from the male-military vs female-civilian stereotype.

You also already know I agree that they didn't need to show an actual rape in order to "go there" and that it needs to remain an "almost rape" in order for later actions and behaviours to remain consistant.

I'm really, genuinely sorry to hear that you know three people who stopped watching because of that. I can't imagine it would have had that effect on me, though. As long as it wasn't handled disrespectfully *cough*ThatGinaSleepingWithBaltarInRessurectionShipIdea*cough* This is actually an area where I guess I agree with the podcast. I'm nervous of going into the why of that because rape is like religion and politics and I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable. But it comes down to the idea that the crime deserves it's reputation as something totally horrific that cannot be allowed to be tolerated on any level, but that if we don't get more comfortable about talking about it, there'll never be any positive dialogue about how to deal with it, culturally and individually.
I'm also interested to hear about EJO's eye-contact issues. I'll be watching carefully for that in future. If that's true it's a pretty awesome thing to choose to do and be consistant about.

Yeah, I'll be looking out for that too. And it's not like I need an excuse to rewatch the mini series. ;) I hadn't picked up on it, but it does occur to me that he'll look Lee, Kara, and Tigh in the eyes, but that he is evasive when talking with Baltar or Cain after they almost blew each other up.

I probably should have been clearer in my statements regarding Ron's statement and women quiting watching the show. I felt Ron's attitude was a little flippant? in the podcast. He pointed out that women watch CSI and those type of shows where women are brutalized so why would the scene with Sharon turn them away? Which I agree with to a point, but it's as if he wasn't even willing to acknowledge that they could go too far and turn off viewers. The attempted rape, the abortion issue, Gina's brutalization, the farm, Starbuck's stolen ovary all combined to turn a few people I know off the show. I don't feel the show is intentionally being mysogynistic and the men's lives certainly aren't any better, but I can see why someone might say enough is enough.
I can completely empathise with the decision too - after all I was hella uncomfortable during that scene. I almost couldn't watch it. I suppose what it made me realise is that I'm more uncomfortable watching dramatised rape than I am watching dramatised murder, infanticide, genocide, or ultraviolence. More confusingly, it was in some ways harder to watch than a lot of "these next scenes may cause distress" segments on the news. I have absolutely no idea what to take away from that. Maybe we're just too desensitised to everything else.

And BSG is a television show that's watched for enjoyment and entertainment. There is nothing saying that this hour of this show is where we should challenge any of our beliefs or be battered by the beliefs of others if that's not what we want.

For me, I do like that it makes me uncomfortable sometimes. Though if he's being flippant then I probably would have had a similar reaction to you. I actually have the podcast but haven't listened to it yet.

I also don't think the show is being intentionally mysogynistic. I also wonder if, since we live in a mysogynistic world and they're showing us a skewed mirror of our world, if they're not obligated to include this ugliness, if they're also including ugliness like genocide, torture, brutal murder (airlocking is pretty horrific). (Again this is if you're heading into this show prepared to feel uncomfortable, which no one should feel obligated to do. It also presupposes it's NOT some schoolboy fantasy, which I believe, but hey, I've been wrong before.)
Well I'm another one who's stopped watching the show, but my reasons for doing so don't have anything to do with any of the Boomer stuff.