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Non-Spoilery Bits of an Interview with Ron

Maureen Ryan at the Chicago Tribune has a HIGHLY SPOILERY interview with Ron Moore about the latter half of Season 3. I'm not going to talk about the spoilery bits here (beccatoria feel free to e-mail me. ;) But there are some non-spoilery bits I want to share and would love to discuss.


Lee/Dee:
Is Lee still with Dualla? Does she know the extent of what went on between Lee and Kara? Is she going to find out?

"We actually played that a lot of different ways in various drafts. I think where it ultimately shakes out is that Dualla seems to be nobody’s fool, and kind of knows something and has decided not to know too much. [She’s] sort of building a resentment in her heart, but at the same time, [she] knew what she was getting when she married Lee. She knew how much Kara meant to him, whether he said it out loud or not, she sort of always thought she was on a bit of borrowed time in the relationship and chose to accept it anyway.”

But it seems to me, it could be a situation where she could walk away, and let him work out whatever he needs to with Kara.

“There was a big speech for her that got cut from ‘Unfinished Business.’ She and Lee were in the Raptor, on the way back to Galactica, after Starbuck had jilted him and married Anders and all that.

“He impulsively asked her to marry him, and she had this lovely speech about the fact that she just knew that eventually Kara Thrace was coming back into his life, but they’re all on borrowed time -- she was going to be echoing what Laura said in the same episode, ‘Who knows what tomorrow’s going to bring.’ But right now, today, she wanted to marry him, she’ll accept [the proposal]. She’ll take whatever she can get, because everything has been taken from these people so many times, they have to grab on to what they have in the moment.”

It sounds like a big bunch of self-justification to me.

“And it is. [laughs] It absolutely is.”


So it would seem that those of us who felt Dee knew something, if not everything, were on the mark. And I kind of had the feeling that she wanted Lee so badly that she was willing to accept the situation, being second choice, but thinking she could make it work. The interesting twist is the speech she gives Lee after the proposal. When I first read this description I was very upset we didn't get to see this. It explains a lot about the foundation of the marriage and why they seem comfortable with each other, but that there seems to be a lack of passion between them. It makes sense when you live with the knowledge that any day could be your last, you take happiness where you can find it and live in the moment. But the more I thought about what this scene says, the more I wonder if it was a good idea it was cut. If she explicitly said she knew Kara would one day be back in his life then it, even given the living in the moment idea, it's rather sad and pathetic that you knowingly marry someone who you believe is going to leave you as soon as he gets a second chance. Yeah, you may die tomorrow, but I wouldn't want to live each day wondering if my husband is going to walk out the door and not come back. Or if he's thinking about someone else when he's with me.


Adama/Roslin:
“I think it’s sort of an undefinable relationship. There’s something there, hovering around the edges. But I think they’re both, in a way, they’re both sort of trapped by the positions they have. And unwilling to sort of complicate their professional roles by a layer of something personal.

"But, that said, in the missing year [on New Caprica], when we flashed back, we saw, briefly, they at least looked at each other and thought about it. Once she wasn’t president, once he was just the captain of the ship, punching holes in the air, day after day, with nothing really to do, they let their guard down. They can hang out and smoke pot together. They can be sort of intimate and relaxed.

“But it seems that even in that circumstance, they did not choose to pursue a romantic relationship. But it was at least around in the ether. And I think probably it was in the ether for both of them all the time. Each looks at the other as the only logical person that they sort of have, on an emotional, personal level, as a potential candidate for one another. Given the parameters of humanity, who else do they really have?

“So I think there’s a sense of, you can’t imagine either one starting to date someone new, and yet there is no formal or informal understanding between the two of them that there is a relationship. It’s definitely something that hovers more in the margins than in the text.

“And a lot of it quite frankly is informed by the performances, especially the way Eddie [Edward James Olmos, who plays Admiral Adama] and Mary [Mary McDonnell, who plays President Laura Roslin] play it. There was the episode we did last season, when she was still dying of cancer and she got up and he just kissed her, impulsively, he ad-libbed it. And her reaction was in character, but also ad-libbed. And we kept it in the show, and just said, that’s who they are and we continue to find that the way they deal with each other as actors on set, that’s just the way they play the characters.”

I have to jump on this - Each looks at the other as the only logical person that they sort of have, on an emotional, personal level, as a potential candidate for one another. Given the parameters of humanity, who else do they really have?

Who else do they have? Um, I could think of someone in Laura's case! And, no, I'm not going to shove my ship down your throat, but I am aggrevated that Ron can't seem to see the potential for any other pairings other than the obvious ones on this show. Sigh.


A Fourth Season:
“Yes, I would really like a fourth season of the show.”

When’s that going to be decided?

“We’re moving to Sunday nights [as of Jan. 21], which is a major thing that we want everyone to know, and they’re going to see how the ratings are on Sunday night. We’re not expecting [to find out about] a pickup [for a fourth season] until late January or beginning of February, somewhere in that ballpark.”

Well, that's just great. I thought it was all but a done deal and now Ron is telling us nothing is certain. Argh.
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Oh, you are wonderful for filtering out the spoilery bits! I read this with great interest (and some anxiety).

On reflection, I am happy that that particular speech from Dee was cut, for purely personal reasons--I think it would have made me more impatient with her character, whereas leaving it unsaid that she knew they were on borrowed time made her a little more intriguing and less, um, pathetic, to me.

Who else do they have? Um, I could think of someone in Laura's case!
Well, yeah. That's so dumb. It surprises me since they established a strong connection between Laura and Lee in the mini-series! They made it seem like that relationship was always going to be important, regardless of how it unfolded. That it's completely off the radar now makes (even) me grrr, so you are most def'ly allowed to btich about that!

now Ron is telling us nothing is certain
Meep! O.O I don't like this news. *frets* *needs a fourth season*
whereas leaving it unsaid that she knew they were on borrowed time made her a little more intriguing and less, um, pathetic, to me.

Not to mention, being proposed to right after they both (presumably) find out about Kara's marriage and accepting is a huge issue. Yes, she knows she's second choice, but, still, would you marry someone who is just reacting to getting devestating news? Wouldn't you worry that once he sleeps on it he may change his mind? Rushing to the alter with him just screams of desperation on her part. Like, if I don't so this RIGHT NOW I'll never have him! Accept she doesn't have him because he's still in love with someone else. Yeah, Ron may not see it but he did Dee and, to a lesser extent Lee, some favors in editing.

They made it seem like that relationship was always going to be important, regardless of how it unfolded.

I think most people believe I'm not delusional and that I wasn't convinced a big epic L/L romance was going to happen on screen, but they did have a relationship and an intriguing one. I thought a friendship was definitely blossoming. They confided in each other as much, if not more, than they did anyone else. And it really seemed to me that she was grooming him as a possible successor to her. Maybe after Ron magically cured her he felt that detail was not longer important. It just pisses me off that this strong, interesting dynamic that was such a huge part of the show was just dropped and instead we get several episodes of Laura floundering a bit without a confidant and the silly Lee/Dee relationship.
Yeah, Ron may not see it but he did Dee and, to a lesser extent Lee, some favors in editing.
*nods* As it is (without the rush to the altar) I see Dee as human and can sympathise to some extent--but had things played out as originally intended I think I would have lost all sympathy for her in the face of her sheer daftness, because, as you say, wouldn't you at least say 'look, why don't we slow down a bit, and once you're over this shock we can talk...' Eeeep!

They confided in each other as much, if not more, than they did anyone else.
*nods* I feel the loss of the L/L friendship strongly because I felt that Laura revealed an important side of Lee. He was different in her eyes and with her than he was with anyone else, and I miss that. And it was a strong interesting dynamic--my favourite on the show after K/L. I even preferrred it to Lee's relationship with his father--so that's a fair sign of how significant I felt it was.

we get several episodes of Laura floundering a bit without a confidant and the silly Lee/Dee relationship.
*nods* It was stupid. And they never even addresssed a solid reason why Lee may be uncomfortable with her now (Kane's proposed assassination). Urgh. It's just a horrid black hole in the show, and this irritates me a great deal because they get so much else right. How could they miss this? Grr.
Thanks for posting some of the non-spoilery bits for discussion! Will the interview be sort of safe to read after Friday's episode? *gets antsy*

If she explicitly said she knew Kara would one day be back in his life then it, even given the living in the moment idea, it's rather sad and pathetic that you knowingly marry someone who you believe is going to leave you as soon as he gets a second chance.

That's how I see it too, and I'm really glad they cut it cause I don't think I would've have the sympathy I had for Dee after UB if she's had that lame speech. It's one thing if she feels that way (and they could, and sort of did, convey that to the audience) but for her to actually SAY IT TO LEE seems too much to me cause it's too pathetic, for both of them. I like it more if they both know they have weak reasons for marrying, but don't actually say it to each other. I could see Dee making those remarks to, say, Gaeta, when asked about her marriage to Lee, and that'd be a way for us to get inside her head about the situation but not have her making yet another speech to Lee which will not do her any favors.
That interview will not be safe to read until the season finale airs. There were a lot of major spoilers.

I don't think I would've have the sympathy I had for Dee after UB if she's had that lame speech.

It would have lessened the impact of that devestated look on her face at the end of the ep. I mean, if she told him 'I know this is going to happen' then how can you be surprised and hurt when it does especially since you agreed to the situation? My take has been that she knew she was his second choice, but that she believed he cared for her and convinced herself they could make it work given time and distance from Kara. I think she was deluding herself and was equally to blame for the state of their marriage - yes, he should not have married her on the rebound, but she should not have accepted sensing his feelings - but there is a difference between being weak and a little needy and being stupid.
Hmm. I guess it's a good thing to cut the speech, because we know Dee through her silence. That's just how Kandyse rolls. We know her through the looks she's cast in the CIC, and her little gestures like taking Adama's hand and hugging Cally in the mini. She's always been this quiet dignified figure. This Lee/Dee thing came along the RDM started putting weird clunky words in Kandyse's mouth. Better to leave the conveying of emotion to Kandyse rather than the writers. I'm imagining the clunky dialogue now, being right up there with Black Market exposition of DHOOM. Shavon, I'm looking at you at the end there.

As for Dee being pathetic for marrying someone who's going to leave her . . . It really depends what Dee wants out of the relationship whether it's pathetic or not, and I'd love to hear her chat about Lee with someone else. Does she want grand, sweeping true love? Does she want to compete with Kara to be #1 in Lee's life? Or does she just want a hot hero of the fleet and a version of Adama she can screw? Lee seems the one who thinks marriage is the automatic next step in a relationship, but Dee always struck me as kind of a practical girl looking to hook up with cute guys and if one doesn't suit, she goes onto another. Now that they're married, her pride may not tolerate being publically, uh, cheated on, but in their circumstances I'm not sure it's that pathetic to take what you can, so long as Lee isn't the center of her universe and she's not going to slit her wrists when it's over. We'll see. I guess I'd have to see the aftermath and her actions before I judge.

Of course, there's no excuse for the clumsy handling of the pairing, or forgetting all about his Laura love, and stuff like that.

I agree. Kandyse has done more to convey Dee's feelings for Lee through looks and gestures then the dialogue she's been given. IT's only when she opens her mouth and starts psychoanalyzing everything and everyone that I get truly pissed.

Does she want grand, sweeping true love? Does she want to compete with Kara to be #1 in Lee's life? Or does she just want a hot hero of the fleet and a version of Adama she can screw? Lee seems the one who thinks marriage is the automatic next step in a relationship, but Dee always struck me as kind of a practical girl looking to hook up with cute guys and if one doesn't suit, she goes onto another.

Good questions. I'm not sure she believes in true love and grand romance, but I think it's more than she found him cute. It seems to me she is very much in love with him and that there was an attraction based on, not just on the physical, but that Lee needed someone to love and, to an extent, be taken care of. She seems to enjoy being a shoulder to lean on and being a problem solver and Lee provided more of that to her than Billy did. But I also think Lee would be considered quite the catch in the fleet, baggage and all, considering choices are pretty limited. So I do think there is an aspect of here is this hot, intelligent, respected guy who will treat her well and wouldn't conciously try to hurt her and I think that would seem desirable to a lot of women in her position.
One of the things a good writer needs is an understanding of human nature; which makes me wonder how Ron became a writer ;) I don't necessarily ship people on this show, but to say that Adama and Laura see each other as their only alternative is stupid. If he thinks they really like each other, say so, don't just put them together because you think it's logical.

I think where it ultimately shakes out is that Dualla seems to be nobody’s fool, and kind of knows something and has decided not to know too much.

These two things seem to directly contradict each other. It would probably help to know more of what motivated Dualla to enter the relatinship in the first place, and it would certainly be nice to get a glimpse of why she's staying now, but I agree with you that having her marry Lee after giving a big speech about how she knew Kara was going to come back into his life would have cast her in an extremely poor light. There's living for the moment, and then there's sacrificing your own dignity and emotional well-being for the moment, and that would have tipped her firmly into the latter area. What really boggles me about Lee/Dee is that Moore did it because he wanted to give Kandyse more to work with, and it has systematically made the character less interesting and cool at every step of the way.

I had thought S4 was more of a certainty too, but I'm not surprised to see that SciFi is waiting to see how ratings shake out on the new night. Wouldn't it be awesome if SciFi broke up its original SciFi Friday and ended up cancelling two of the three shows because ratings tanked? That would be a really great example of the strategic vision we've all come to know and love from our beloved cable channel.[/sarcasm]
What really boggles me about Lee/Dee is that Moore did it because he wanted to give Kandyse more to work with, and it has systematically made the character less interesting and cool at every step of the way.

Not only that he's edited about two-thirds of her scenes out of the episodes. I can't even imagine what it feels like to get a script with a substantial role only to have it trimmed down to a couple lines and some reaction shots.

We don't really know if Lee and Dee are together right now. I'm hoping we get some clarification of their marital status tomorrow night. And as I mentioned to someone above, given the relatively small potential partner pool of the fleet, I could understand her willingness to try to make the marriage work assuming he isn't spending his days longing for Kara. But, yes, I really wish we had had some sort of scene explaining when and why Dee decided Lee was the guy for her. And it wouldn't have to be a talk with Lee, it could be Gaeta or could have been Kara pre-UB.
Email sent. Re: the fourth season panic...let's just say I am not calm. I am a bitter, bitter Scaper.
Darn. Haven't gotten it yet. Yeah, I'm having an angst filled BSG day. But not about what you think. It's more a WTF? thing and the season 4 thing. Now off to work on my post I'm writing before the ep airs. :p
Hey, did you actually send me an e-mail or are you just composing? I haven't received anything and I figured I'd cover everything at once. ;-)