Asta 2

Podcast for 'Rapture'



Well, sort of. I got your attention though! ;)

Terry Moore was once again around for the podcast. When Ron began talking about Lee and Anders Terry interjected, "Hot Lee and Anders." And she proceeded to make jokes throughout the podcast about them being all greased up, not that the fans minded, and how it was apparently hotter indoors than out. During the scene in the tent in which they were strategizing, she commented that the women weren’t sweaty and Ron replied, "They don’t love each other." :)

There was also a lot of boring discussion about editing, trimming scenes, rearranging scenes, using scenes twice, what did and didn’t work, how they should have cut something. I’m going to spare you and myself from recapping all that because did I mention it was boring?

As for things of semi-interest...

I believe it was mentioned in the podcast for EoJ that the standoff between D’Anna and Adama was to come mid episode in EoJ but was shifted to climax. There was also to be another nuclear standoff/countdown, but it was cut – more on that later.

Originally, Kara was to have broken her leg forcing Dee to carry her across the open ground. Terry pointed out that Dee is “three feet big” and Ron admitted that while Kandyce’s size played a role in the decision to alter Kara’s injury/the rescue they were also limited as to how many days they could shoot on location. Hence we got their scenes in a raptor which could be shot in the studio.

D’Anna believed that Adama wouldn’t think it was worth nuking the planet over one raider. (If two had continued on would he have gone ahead and nuked the planet? I think this bit should have been thought out more.)

It was discussed to have Athena and Helo have their conversation in a raptor with Sharon planning to steal the raptor and go to the basestar to rescue her baby. And Helo was to be confronted by Adama and Laura in CIC. The scene was shifted back to their quarters to allow them to still be in the moment.

As has been discussed and is further confirmed by Ron, there was much more on the basestar, over the course of several episodes, dealing with Boomer and Hera. We were to see Boomer caring for Hera, being rejected by her, and building up a profound resentment. Supposedly (and this is news to me) Boomer had been trying to have a baby with Tyrol and it didn’t happen. The other Sharon conceived almost immediately. Since the Cylons claim Hera was conceived because love was involved, Boomer comes to believe that she and Tyrol did not have true love. There were also scenes including Caprica Six trying to be a surrogate mother. The “dueling mothers” storyline was considered convoluted and hard to follow so it got cut. (OK, but a hint of Boomer’s near 180 would have been nice.)

Tyrol’s first phone conversation from Lee was actually from footage later in the episode. (And you can tell on rewatch.)

Ron referred to it as the "Eye of Zeus". :p

There was a scene of Baltar, Cavil, Leoben, and D’Anna standing on a ridge, talking about assaulting the temple and worrying about destroying what they were after. Ron felt this was not as important as the second scene between Baltar and D’Anna. (At this point I had to laugh at Ron’s earlier comment that not much story related footage was cut.)

Hilliard’s death was a little longer with Anders talking about what the guy meant to him. And Anders talked to Lee about what Kara meant to him and his knowledge of who she was. Ron thought it felt forced.

The second? third? act originally ended with Kara holding the gun and when you came back from commercial break you discovered it was Dee outside the raptor. It was deemed too contrived. (I agree here.)

Boomer’s threatening Hera created an argument with the network.

The Kara/Dee chat was longer with Kara talking about her problems with Lee, her love for Anders, etc. (Get ready to laugh…)Ron wrote the scene but believed it too overwrought and melodramatic. (Yeah, like the rest of the storyline has been so subtle!)

He’s not satisfied with Dee and Kara’s getaway. It was a mistake not showing Dee learning to fly the raptor. He feels the audience expected that and they didn’t pay off the expectation.

He also feels he failed in not better establishing why Tyrol was not able to blow up the temple.

When they cut back to Adama et al on Galactica, they are in the weapons room, not CIC. This is because there was another scene with Adama starting another countdown to launch the nukes when Lee failed to destroy the temple. We had already scene the exact same scene and it was considered redundant.

The idea of going back to the Kobol opera house was Michael Rymer’s.

It was also Rymer and James Callis’s idea to have Baltar come back to Galactica in a body bag.

When the couples reunite, the look between Lee and Kara shows that none of this is really resolved. (Sigh)

(Here’s where I gave Ron too much credit.) Since Kara has not been involved in the main events and has only been part of the subplot (Really???), they were looking for a way to tie her back into all these events. They went back to find something to tie her into the story they came across the paintings on Kara’s wall, which Katee had actually come up with and painted.

He finished by saying that he’d be back next week to discuss ‘Where everybody knows your name’ which is really ‘Taking a break from all your worries.’. Dude, get your Cheers lyrics straight. :p
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Ron wrote the scene but believed it too overwrought and melodramatic.

RON felt it was too melodramatic? What were they doing, singing opera?

He feels the audience expected that and they didn’t pay off the expectation.

In that particular instance, I was ok with the implication that she learned to fly the raptor. There are many MANY other instances where we needed more introduction, such has Boomer and Hera for this episode, Starbuck and Tigh's "insurrection", and Kat's issues.
I agree. Of all the things that were worthy of more time to flesh out, Dee's learning to fly would be at the bottom of the list. Besides, for some reason, I thought she may have some basic knowledge of how to do it. She didn't seem particularly freaked out.
Originally, Kara was to have broken her leg forcing Dee to carry her across the open ground. Terry pointed out that Dee is “three feet big”

Once again, thank you Terry Moore. That would have been completely unbelievable.

We were to see Boomer caring for Hera, being rejected by her, and building up a profound resentment. Supposedly (and this is news to me) Boomer had been trying to have a baby with Tyrol and it didn’t happen.

That actually could have been really interesting--especially if it was more sleeper programming, another attempt to use the Boomer model to create a hybrid, rather than something Boomer consciously wanted. I can see why implementing the idea would have been convoluted and distracting, but I agree that it would have actually explained Boomer's behavior there.

Since Kara has not been involved in the main events and has only been part of the subplot (Really???), they were looking for a way to tie her back into all these events. They went back to find something to tie her into the story they came across the paintings on Kara’s wall, which Katee had actually come up with and painted.

*facepalm* Now that they've at least come up with this really cool connection, I hope they do something with it.
With Boomer I guess I assumed they made it so her former body couldn't become pregnant. After all, if she had become pregnant she would have been sidelined, possibily transferred off of Galactica, and the Cylon plan to have her in place to kill Adama would have been ruined. I don't know why that wouldn't have occured to her rather than she and Tyrol's love not being pure or something.
But they didn't know about the whole 'love' thing until way after Boomer was placed among the Colonials as a sleeper agent. It seems to have been a very recent development around the time of the attack. So if she'd been a sleeper agent for, say, three years before the attack, the assumption when they first placed her would be that just like the other Cylons, she couldn't get pregnant. Now, it's possible that a few months, say, before the attack, this love theory was making the rounds and someone decided to nudge her sleeper programming to forget the birth control and try to conceive. Because a Cylon in a longterm relationship would be a golden opportunity to test their theory.

And given how incredibly important they find Hera to be, both as a religious icon and as a symbol of their evolution as a species, I think they would've happily given up the opportunity for her to perform sabotage and shoot Adama if they suspected she was pregnant. It'd be all "Send d'Anna to assassinate the military leader during an interview, and get the mother of the next generation back home right this minute."

It seems odd that they would've been actively trying to have a baby prior to the attack, though. It's been established in multiple episodes that Tyrol and Boomer had talked about having children and agreed it was definitely something they wanted to do, but it sounded like they were planning on both leaving the Colonial Fleet and getting settled in civilian jobs first. Besides, given the totally-against-regs nature of their relationship, Boomer becoming pregnant while serving would've likely caused some awkward questions re: the father.

Well, maybe THEY weren't trying to have a baby, but SHE was. I mean, Helo and Athena weren't trying to have a baby, only Athena was. And given that his initial reaction to her vomiting a few weeks after they'd had sex was to wonder if it was radiation sickness, I'm assuming he thought it was protected sex. That she was supposedly on the Colonial version of the Pill, or something. Or possibly that all the radiation around would make conception unlikely. Mind you, given how well those anti-rad meds seem to work, perhaps he should've realised.

I'm sorry they cut the 'Boomer attempting to bond with Hera' scenes, but not especially sorry that they cut the 'Boomer had been trying to get pregnant' scenes. Besides, I'd say that finding out the guy you'd been in love with and wanted to marry and have kids with had moved on, married, and impregnated the woman who murdered you, that might retrospectively shake your faith that your relationship had been all about pure love.
(Here’s where I gave Ron too much credit.) Since Kara has not been involved in the main events and has only been part of the subplot (Really???), they were looking for a way to tie her back into all these events. They went back to find something to tie her into the story they came across the paintings on Kara’s wall, which Katee had actually come up with and painted.

Oh, god. I think this is shorthand for, "We were reading the skiffy forum and saw this really cool post about the painting on Kara's wall..."

*headdesk*
Hell, if he admited to getting ideas off the forum I'd register just to push Lee/Laura. ;)
I was a lot happier not knowing that they hadn't planned the Kara painting thing. Sigh.
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Regarding the paintings, I think Mr Moore may be wrong, ( I know he's the show runner but anyway) I've seen an scan of an original art department sketch of Kara's apartment in a magazine, and the 'eye of jupiter' is clearly there.
I know that Katee went in and did alot of the paintings but I think that one was already planned.
Thanks for the info. It still seems that it wasn't planned over a year ago to introduce the 'Eye', but I guess I should be relieved they went back that far to try and tie all this together.
Well, sort of. I got your attention though! ;)
*swats you* Yes. You did!

Ron replied, "They don’t love each other." :)
Wah! *falls off chair*

He also feels he failed in not better establishing why Tyrol was not able to blow up the temple.
WHAT?! If that had been any more drawn out, I would have stabbed things. Damn, this man worries about the weirdest things. I don't care that Dee learnt to fly a raptor! I have faith in Kara's instructional abilities and Dee's stubbornness. Whatever.

has only been part of the subplot (Really???)
Um. What show is he watching?
Hee. After hearing the podcast I started thinking where to fit a Lee/Anders fic in down on the planet to explain all the sweat. ;)

Yeah, Ron tends to worry about the little things, but Zak Adama? Kara's missing ovaries? Tyrol married to the woman who murdered his ex-girlfriend? Piff! Who needs to explore those things.
Supposedly (and this is news to me) Boomer had been trying to have a baby with Tyrol and it didn’t happen.

That was weird, and I even wondered if he mispoke (probably not, ugh.) Tyrol told Helo in "Flight of the Phoenix" that he and Boomer had planned to leave the service together and start a family, so that tells me they weren't trying to have children at the time, just that it was something Boomer had hoped for in the future, but now she doesn't have that and Sharon does.

I liked this podcast, as I found myself more interesting in what he had to say than I have in some of the other podcasts. And I loved hearing Terry gently mocking-yet-applauding Lee and Anders being hot and oiled up.
Yeah, I recall Tyrol mentioning the two of them leaving the service and starting a family, but the way Ron was talking here it implied there was a scene in which Boomer talks about trying to get pregnant and failing. Maybe she was and Tyrol didn't know it? It wil be interesting to see how this actually plays out in deleted scenes.

Terry was pretty funny hear and I think spoke for a lot of fandom. ;-)
Since Kara has not been involved in the main events and has only been part of the subplot (Really???), they were looking for a way to tie her back into all these events.

Uh...WTF??? Was he kidding? When has Kara ever not been involved in the main events? If he's worried about neglecting important characters on the sidelines, he should be looking to do more to include Laura, not Kara.

They went back to find something to tie her into the story they came across the paintings on Kara’s wall, which Katee had actually come up with and painted.
Which is fine and dandy...except that he didn't consider that Kara left New Caprica with nothing but Kacey, Sam, and the clothes on her back. They didn't take the time in the mdist of their desperate escape to run back home and collect the photo albums. {sigh}
Yeah, the Kara remark was a big WTF? for me too. And I won't deny that she's had a smaller role to play in some eps, but when has she ever been sidelined or part of the subplot? She was a big part of the NC story and now we have the Lee/Kara soap opera. Maybe he's just referring to the fact that haden't mentioned her destiny in a few eps. :/

I assumed she had left the photos behind on Galactica. I'm willing to wank that one since we had that scene of her reclaiming her duffle bag that was full of her personal belongings.