I made a post in my Lj but I sahll say it hear too.

Happy Birthday!!
Don't know if it's a good or a bad new... I'll wait season 3 finale, then I'll decide! Happy Birthday! *hugs*
Y'know, I might be the only person who wishes we'd have gotten the 13 episodes, if only because the past few weeks of "filler episodes" have (understandably) been so widely reviled online and by several critics I read, and all the negativity is wearing on me. I fear more of the same next year, but it might be too late. (And I'll admit that other factors -- which you can probably guess -- have me feeling iffy about S4.)

But yeah, I'm also happy for the actors' sake! And maybe this is all just me waking up on the wrong side of the bed, and a 22-ep season will turn out to be a gods-send. :)
Omgs...it's your birthday *checks* indeed!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY ASTA - YOU FELLOW SHIPPER YOU hehe sorry ;)!
I admit, I generally don't read critics reviews. Any particularly scathing reviews? I thought last weeks ep had far more problems than this weeks. I don't know what this weeks ratings were, but they have gone up the past few weeks with the move to Sunday so some folks must be liking what they are seeing. ;)

And thanks for the birthday wishes. :)
Still am very happy to hear that it's probably going to be 20 episodes yet. I know what you mean with 13 eps equal to more quality. Still it would also mean BSG is on a downward drift soon to be cancelled or something like that...! I mean season 1 also had 13 episodes because they first wanted to check how popular it gets. It was indeed a tigther and great, very promising season looking afterwards on it - in its completeness, probably the best (although I also loved 2.0). Still the more I get from BSG in the future - the better! I want quantity AND quality ;)! And I think the more seasons and episodes BSG gets the more likely is also a Laura/Lee development hehe...!
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So they won't renew it for ages, then they do so for 13 episodes, then you hear that there is "stuff" going on, and now it's 20?

I CALL SHENANIGANS!

Or more accurately, I call politics. I hope not too much hinges on megaratings for a fifth season (which I want mostly because they always planned on doing five) or for a full run. Because they just won't get them. Especially not after two time slot changes, and two mega-long hiatuses.

Lord, I read this and realise how little I trust Scifi since Farscape...
So they won't renew it for ages, then they do so for 13 episodes, then you hear that there is "stuff" going on, and now it's 20?

I CALL SHENANIGANS!

Or more accurately, I call politics. I hope not too much hinges on megaratings for a fifth season (which I want mostly because they always planned on doing five) or for a full run. Because they just won't get them. Especially not after two time slot changes, and two mega-long hiatuses.

Lord, I read this and realise how little I trust Scifi since Farscape...
If Sci-Fi were smary (insert laughter) with the long hiatus they would do multiple reruns of the series to date. No, I don't think it would bring them mega ratings, but I do think it would help to bring new fans in.

I wonder what happened over the weekend to bump up the episode number?
first of all, HAPPY B-DAY and all the best wishes! yay for b-days! :)

re the ep #: on one hand, YESSSSS! more bsg. on the other hand, why do they want to drag it out? 13 seemed to work better, even RDM said that much! and then, of course, there's the obvious WTF, because why/when was this decided?

either way, for now i'll stick with teh happy! :)
Yah! While I can see being nostalgic for the excellent first season, all the whining about 20 (over on the forums) drives me a bit mad. While there are 2, maybe 3, episodes of Season 2 and Season 3 that I might not want to have happened, I seriously can't list 7 episodes I'd delete if I could. Sure with 20, one or two might suck, but really 7 won't. It boggles the mind when I try to come up with 14 S2 & S3 episodes to get rid of. So many of them were great. One or two off episodes doesn't justify losing 4-5 potentially good ones... in my mind at least. I guess I'm just a sucker for character moments though. With just 13, I think we'd have to get alot more plot and fewer secondary/tertiary characters.
Forums are evil! Well, highly annoying. And SciFi has been taken over by trolls. But I digress.

I think with season 1 we are hard pressed to pick out a bad episode though I feel 'Litmus' was the first time they veered into heavy-handed territory. And I think they had a clearly defined course whereas season 2 and 3 has had some stops and starts. However, I do agree that it would be easy to pick out a couple of eps we could have lived without, but 7? Yeah, that would be pretty inconceivable to do. I wasn't a big fan of last weeks ep, but there were still some character moments (the bar scene for instance) that I loved.
TV Guide also mentions that the final number of episodes was still being negotiated at print time, which tells me that the initial 13 ep committment was to make sure that they had all the key players locked in while the final $$ figures remained under discussion. I'm sure there was some tug of war going on over budgets and possible salary increases, etc.

I'd have been fine with just the 13 eps, so long as the shorter season didn't mean that the show would become more of a slave to plot with less attention paid to the characters. But if you look at the difference between season 1 and season 2...season 2 was actually more plot-driven and more neglectful of the character arcs than the shorter first season. That seems to be a contradiction in logic; having more time should have given them more of an opportunity to tell their stories to a fuller extent, and yet that isnt what happened in season 2. In season 3 as well, the fact is that the primary problem with those faultier "filler" eps was that they were actually STILL trying to tell TOO MUCH of a story within too little time. It's all most likely the result of having to develop an extended serialized story in bits and pieces, one episode at a time, and occasionally losing sight of the overall bigger picture, resulting in the necessary slash and burn tactics down the road in order to meet the broadcast time constratints -- and that's a procedural and conceptual problem that can occur just as easily with 20 episodes or 13.

I still see 20 eps as more of an opportunity for the writers to tell a more complete and fulfilling story, so I'm hoping it pans out that way...but of course the ultimate success or failure depends upon what they do with that opportunity.
The S2 being more about plot phenomenon may be partially due to the fact that in S1 they had to establish the characters more. Now when they do character eps, they often get labeled as "filler". They also have alot more plot threads up in the air to deal with.

Admittedly producing 20 episodes is a challenge, but I'd still like to see them try. With only 13 eps it'd be a really short season.
The S2 being more about plot phenomenon may be partially due to the fact that in S1 they had to establish the characters more.
In part, I agree that's true, they did need to lay the groundwork in season 1. I also think it was partly the result of the fact that season 2 followed so closely on the heels of season 1 and the entire production process was rushed. We easily forget that both 1 & 2 were broadcast within the same year.

Ron Moore did admit that the story development process for season 2 was flawed, and they made some procedural changes to mitigate that for season 3. And although they haven't delivered masterpieces every week, I think season 3 has definitley shown a marked improvement in the attention given to the characters over season 2.

I really don't mind the character-oriented "filler" eps. So long as they are interesting and well-executed, that's what matters. It's nice sometimes to let the characters take a breather and talk to each other instead of just blowing up enemy ships every week. If 20 eps allows for more of that balance, I'm all for it. And hey, Season 1 wasn't perfect either. Given a choice, I'd rather have 17/20 good episodes than just 11/13.
I think what it comes down to is that once they were given more time they took that to mean they could tell more stories instead of doing what they did in season 1 - have a few overriding arcs and develop those and the characters along with them. Now we have how many stories going on? Not enough time to explore them all and few really connected to one another. If Ron and Co. learn from the massive time overruns to scale back the storytelling I think we could have a great season 4.
Great to hear! It means that with start in January they don't stop on stupid hiatus and will be airing every week. So good news.:)
While I always greatly admire a tight, short season, I have come to love long rambly imperfect shows as well. :-) I'm easy to please, therefore HAPPY! :-) Thanks for the news!
And for all the people who like to bitch about how horrible the show is they'll have more to bitch about! ;-)
I'd send you an e-card, but the last one never seemed to get to you, so I'll settle for leaving a comment.

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Happy birthday -- I hope this upcoming year is full of love, laughter and joy! And Jamie Bamber goodness, of course ;-)