Asta 2

BSG - 'Dirty Hands'



Yes, these will be brief thoughts because I don’t really know what to say about this episode. It wasn’t bad TV, and I liked that we got to see what I always presumed were bad conditions amongst the rest of the fleet, but, with the exception of Tyrol, who were these people?

Cally - I admit it. I called Cally a bitch twice. Apparently, she’s taking over the Lady Macbeth role from Ellen Tigh. And when does someone start buying into the words of the man who signed the paper ordering her death? Oh, and Dee only got promoted because she married a Caprican? No, it's because while everyone went down to the planet she stayed behind, yes, for her boyfriend/husband, but also to help protect everyone who went down to the planet. Bitter much Cally?

Laura – Um, I’m at a loss. She talks about the horrific conditions that people have to endure around the fleet while she sips wine with Adama? The woman so concerned about the civilian fleet and their welfare doesn’t make an attempt to go see for herself what Tyrol was talking about? And she needs Tyrol to direct her to begin a work rotation? Then we go from her basically stating that they have to live with the status quo of a hierarchal society to negotiating with Tyrol.

Adama – OMGWTF?! OK, sure, he’s been narrow-minded, short-sighted, and an asshole when people dare question/defy him, but having Cally arrested and threatening to execute her on the spot without a trial? Come on! Yeah, I get having fears of the fleet being left defenseless, but that was extreme and bizarre and as much as I hated Cally I hated Adama more.

Lee – He wasn’t in this ep, thank God. They just got his characterization back on track last week I didn’t want to see them muck it up again.

Zarek – Also not present, but, gee, wouldn’t he have been a good guy to have around considering his past?

One thing I did like was Seelix’s situation and how it echoed Lee’s last week. Both characters had/have greater ambitions then their present circumstance, yet are trapped by fate, bad luck, whatever you want to call it. I’m actually rather torn on Seelix being allowed to train as a viper pilot. If she is integral to the flight deck and maintaining the various ships, should she be allowed to become a pilot? Not to mention, I feel as if the clock is ticking on when she’ll be killed off now.

danceswithwords made the comment as we were IMing that the show use to do a good job of showing both sides of an issue. The anti-union side seemed to be made to clearly gain our support and their argument reinforced by the people on the opposing side making Draconian decisions and very un-character-like pronouncements.

Oh, they mentioned the algae and algae processing, so, hey, one bit of continuity.

On the other hand, what was with Laura's comment implying it's been two years since the attacks? They spent sixteen months on New Caprica alone.

No podcast up for this yet, not that I'm suspicious.
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...wow. This sounds...interesting.

Without seeing it, though, I might have an explanation for the time since the attacks. Which, coincidentally I just set out in my commnt to your entry on the latest podcast. So, uh, real brief then, since I'm repeating myself: 9 monts til they landed on New Caprica, 16 monts on New Caprica = two years, one month. Five or six months until "now" and perhaps we can take Roslin's comment as "over two years"? It's been "two years because we haven't hit the third anniversary yet?" Eh...it'll let me sleep at night, so I'm going to run with it.
Good work. :) I think it should be close to three years. Given Lee's weight loss and various other events and that they establish it's been 49 days since they last encountered the Cylons I'd say it has to be more than five or six months since NC, but, yeah, Laura could be going by the fact they haven't hit the three year mark yet. I'm still not buying Lee as 29 right now though and 26 at the time of the mini. I do think he is old for his age with everything he has had to go through, but I always put him at 28 or 29 at the time of the mini. Since they edited all references to specific dates I guess I can hold on to my fanon. :)
I guess I can hold on to my fanon. :)

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Yeah, Laura was all over the place in this episode. In the end when she sat down with Tyrol and was basically agreeing with him on everything (after having folks arrested for strikes and talking about book burnings), I felt like I had stumbled into some strange reality show.
Heh. The Laura at the end I recognized, but the one before that? Not so much. I think the writers slipped into the trap of writing to service the plot rather than the character. And remember when Laura and Adama would have come to blows over this? I miss those days. :(
I never had feelings one way or another about Cally, but by the end of the ep I was 'OK, you can shut up and die now'. Maybe she'll turn out to be a Cylon and Sharon can airlock her! Payback's a bitch. ;-)
Unsurprisingly, we had almost the same things to say about this one. :)

Apparently, she’s taking over the Lady Macbeth role from Ellen Tigh.

That's a good catch. Except that she looks like she's 18 and Nicki Clyne have the charisma to carry off true manipulation; it comes across as unbearable whininess instead.
Except that she looks like she's 18 and Nicki Clyne have the charisma to carry off true manipulation; it comes across as unbearable whininess instead.

Well, I was tempted to say, "But she's no Kate Vernon!" ;)
Lee – He wasn’t in this ep, thank God. They just got his characterization back on track last week I didn’t want to see them muck it up again.
*lol*

Oh, and Zarek! Er, yes... this episode was a little... odd.

I agree about Seelix--I had mixed feelings on her being allowed to train as a viper pilot too. It was among several things that I felt worked well dramatically for this episode in isolation, but not in the bigger picture of the whole series. Not that that's new...

I'm a bit 'meh' about this ep because I didn't really care about anyone in it. I fell to fangirling Laura for lack of anything better to do... but I tried. I thought of how everyone hated Helo's episode so much, and I tried really hard to see the good in this one. :-)

This ep made more sense than Helo's (at least imho), but, unfortunately, the characterizations were off to the point that it lessened my enjoyment.
I didn't see the "characterizations" as being off. You have a tendency to want to defend the characters you like, protect them, etc. -- me, not so much, so I think the episode, while it ended too neatly, was fair. Adama and Roslind have their own priorities. And that came through.

My dad, for instance, is a fair and just guy. He's also a huge racist. Sometimes those vectors intersect and sometimes they don't.

I don't think it was a great episode, but it had things I found interesting, especially how Baltar is wrong when he's being right and vice versa.