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'Torchwood'

People on my Flist either seem to love or loathe this show, I've always been in the latter category. I decided to watch tonight because of the guest star and to see how they resolved a plot point from the first season finale. If you enjoyed this episode, I suggest you skip clicking on the cut.


I get that Jack will sleep with anything with a pulse, but I am utterly confused by the set up for past, present (sort of), and future (maybe) relationships. He found his doctor. OK, they established, in my opinion, in the 'Who' finale that he did love the Doctor, but he seemed to have a very realistic view of just how far that relationship could go. Not he's being wistful about it. At the same time, we are getting a strong implication that he's also in love with Gwen. WTF? Sure, they were a bit flirty early on in the first season, but that was dropped quickly enough. Now he's 'coming back for her' and all bummed she's engaged. Not so bummed though that he doesn't ask Ianto out on a date. ::head desk::

On the flip side, we have Ianto who is obviously jealous of John and Gwen who is ready to declare she loves Jack just as she thinks she is about to die. Of course, John is also hung up on Jack (who, shockingly, is not hung up on John). And while I certainly can appreciate a little innuendo, did it have to be every other line? The plot was an after thought to the ongoing discussion of Jack and John's sex life. I felt like I was watching bad fanfic play out in front of me.

The other thing that disturbed me was that James was apparently unaware that he was playing Spike. Maybe he thought we wouldn't notice without the bleached hair? Talk about lazy acting.

In other words, I'm done.
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I've only seen that one clip that was all over the internets, and

The other thing that disturbed me was that James was apparently unaware that he was playing Spike.

LOL This made my evening :D
The other thing that disturbed me was that James was apparently unaware that he was playing Spike.

LOL. When they did the closeup shot of him doing shots, I completely flashed back to "Conversations with Dead People" and almost that exact scene.

But i can't blame all laziness on JM. The writing on this show is what has completely turned me off to it and i find it really really likes its own premise and doesn't really try much more than that.

I've tried a couple episodes last season and now this season and yeah, despite the fact that I am desperate for new TV, I'm apparently not this desperate. I really need to just d/l "Burn Notice" and actually watch this season of Dexter :)
I would *highly* recommend Burn Notice over this dreck.

I agree, Torchwood seems to think it is far more cutting-edge and clever than it actually is. And I wouldn't be shocked if the writers thought of Spike while writing this episode and decided it would be cool to get James cast in the role.
This episode was a total Swiss cheese. It was all woolly with points just disappearing into the ether with no resolution (I think they're trying to set up the series). If Gwen goes off with Jack and Rhys is not properly developed this season then she becomes just a slut and we'll never learn what he is really about.

As for James, I found it nice to see him, annoying that he was playing Spike (although I think that's just typecasting on the part of the useless producers) and found the overt sexualism just far too much.

However episode two, although up to its usual standard of requiring a couple of slippers to be thrown at the screen is really rather good.
Hee, I responded to Asta and then came and read your comment. I think we're saying more or less the same thing.

Conclusion: I'm going to keep watching.
I thought the episode was silly fun - none of the characters were consistent with last season, but that's all to the good, given how much last season sucked. And yes, it did appear to have written by fangirls. This is RTD responding to the feedback that the last series was no fun to watch, by reading lots of forums and giving everyone what they said they wanted, all in one messy place.

Episode 2 was a very different kettle of fish - still very silly as far as plot is concerned, but much darker in tone.
This is RTD responding to the feedback that the last series was no fun to watch, by reading lots of forums and giving everyone what they said they wanted, all in one messy place.

Sadly, I can believe that scenario. It seems as if they just had the idea to do a 'Who' spin-off and never really thought out plot or direction for the show. It also seems that they think they can substitute sex/talking about sex for actual character development. :/
Yeah, he was Spike, but Spike was pretty, and I'm shallow, so I was ok :)

...which sums up why I watch Torchwood.

Jack's feelings for Gwen seem more romantic than sexual. I don't get the 'I want to sleep with her vibe' when he's with her.
For all the sleeping around Jack does I've never really seen him as being a romantic character. He's probably had the most chemistry with the Doctor (both of them) and we all know that's not going anywhere.
I have never seen the show, but my BFF says it's pure fanservice, start to finish. Which leads me to think that while JM maybe didn't know he was playing Spike, the writer/producer/director probably did.
As I replied to someone else, they probably wrote John with Spike in mind and then thought it would be cool to get him to play the part.
It was exactly like bad fanfic, which is why I think a lot of people liked it so much. I've seen more than one Spike/Angel 'shipper say that this is what they wish S5 of Angel had been like: kissing, fighting, arguing over who was the "wife" in their past relationship, etc. Let me tell you, after reading remarks like that, I'm pretty thankful for the whole Wolfram & Hart plot.

Talk about lazy acting.

Bite your tongue! That was a perfectly good S2 Spike performance. It's only a shame that it wasn't in a S2 Buffy episode. Hee.
I've seen more than one Spike/Angel 'shipper say that this is what they wish S5 of Angel had been like: kissing, fighting, arguing over who was the "wife" in their past relationship, etc. Let me tell you, after reading remarks like that, I'm pretty thankful for the whole Wolfram & Hart plot.

Let me join you in giving thanks. Do these people think that the show could have really gone there? That a S/A romantic relationship could happen on screen? Maybe on Showtime, but not The WB!
I watched all of S1 and the first two episodes of S2 in one sitting, and yet I find myself more confused than I have any right to be. I think the show is written by badly medicated monkeys. With continuity problems. They keep hyping that Torchwood Declassified show and I wonder if we are required to watch that to understand what the hell is going on? Cause I don't wanna. It seems like they're just gearing up for a big Torchwood orgy with poor pitiful Tosh standing by and watching, why not just get on with it? Saving it for a series finale I suppose.

I will, however, keep watching because A) it's a Who spinoff and 2) there is always the slim possibility that Gwen will pull her head out of her ass and go bowling with Rhys again.

Oh how could I forget, it also has my #1 pet peeve - a medical professional who doesn't seem to know what the hell he's doing. *waves at DOCTOR Owen*
"Written by badly medicated monkeys" needs to be on a Torchwood icon. :)

Didn't they pull Doctor Owen out of their asses? I vaguely recall seeing the ep in which that was revealed and saying, "Huh? What?!" And I loved how he just happened to have a pair of latex gloves in his pocket to help treat that guy who was shot.
This was the first complete ep. of Torchwood I've ever seen, never really watched Dr. Who, so I don't feel bad about being confused. lol It was okay as a silly fun kind of thing I'll probably never watch again. I was just curious to see James.

I'm positive "Spike" is the reason TPTB hired James. Though I thought John was slightly more subtle than Spike. Slightly. lol Missed the guzzeling booze scene. Played as written was my opinion.

Not really able to compare it to the previous season or even Dr. Who. But if you want to talk wretched, disappointing and hysterically funny in an unintential and sad way,there's the last Highlander: the Series movie that was on the Sci-Fi channel a couple months ago. I cried with laughter, then just wanted to cry.
I thought John was a slightly less likable version of Spike. ;p

I saw about fifteen minutes of the Highlander film of which you speak and was left speechless. I have limited Highlander knowledge, but I didn't see how that movie had anything to do with anything that had come previously in the franchise. Can't Adrian Paul find something better? Porn? ;)
I have yet to watch the episode with sound since of course, I was stuck nursing the baby back to sleep (husband obviously not equipt that way) and so had to watch with CC on.

I do hate that sex is such shorthand on this show. And that everyone (with the exception of Owen, thank god) has snogged someone of the same sex. It's like RTD couldn't do proper loving sex between Ten/Rose because that would somehow be blasphemy so he's taking it out on the poor folks at Torchwood.

Now, I didn't totally hate the episode (and there were two episodes last series that I actually liked!) but I'll totally agree that the sexcapades were gratuitous, characterizations were off, and you could sail a battleship or two through the plot holes. I will keep watching, if only because nothing else of interest is on, and because I have no expectations of this show other than surface entertainment. I am very meta about Who, but this is just dryer lint-type fluff.
Is Jack supposed to be a creepy sexual harrasser? I'm confused.

On the plus side, Owen didn't have much screentime.
Is Jack supposed to be a creepy sexual harrasser? I'm confused.

Apparently, the employee conduct handbook got destroyed when Torchwood went kablooey.