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"Fine, Data's a Toaster"

I watched SciFi's Star Trek: The Next Generation mini marathon last night. Unlike last Monday's line up, these were all good episodes and one outstanding one, 'The Measure of a Man'. Not all ST:TNG holds up well, but that episode is a classic. It wasn't until Captain Phillipa Louvois's remark about Data that it hit me Ron Moore borrowed quite a bit from his old series. I'm not even certain if he was on staff in the second season, he didn't become a producer until 1991, but the influence of this episode on BSG is clear. Picard is fighting to prove that Data, a machine, is a sentient being with the same rights as humans. And arguing that Starfleet, by claiming Data as property, has the potential for creating a slave race. At the conclusion I was left with to wonder, what if? What if Picard had lost his case, Data was forced to be disassembled for study, and Starfleet created a whole army of Datas with the likelihood of them, eventually, turning on their masters.

And watching all the episodes I got to not-so-fondly recall how much I hated Doctor Pulaski. If she wasn't acting as if she was smarter than everyone else, she was treating Data like he was nothing more than a walking computer. I was so thrilled when they dumped her and brought Doctor Crusher back.

While watching ST:TNG I saw numerous promos for this week's mid season finale of BSG. Or, more precisely, I saw the same promo over and over and over again. It's similar to the one shown at the end of 'The Hub' with one noticeable difference.

We now see a close up of Lee before Kara rushes in and stops him from pushing the button and airlocking Tigh, Anders, and Tyrol into space. He has tears in his eyes! This is AWESOME. I was worried that we wouldn't get any reaction from Lee, but he's served with two of the men for years and, if not close friends, he's been friendly with Tyrol and even Sam. I'm so thrilled we are going to see his pain at the betrayal of trust he must feel and also at what he believes he must do. Woo!

Prior to House, Hugh Laurie did a series over in England called Fortysomething. Has anyone reading this seen it? Is it funny? I ask, because Deep Discount is having one of their 20& off sales and I can get a really good price on the box set. But if it's crap, I don't want to waste the money.
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Is it every Monday?

I'm glad Lee is conflicted as some seemed to think he would just be skipping his way to airlock and no. It's interesting the relationships he has had which each of the three.

Tigh - well, it has been "lively"
Tyrol - friends...kinda
Sam - nuff said
Yeah, it's ever Monday. I think they just swapped one 'Trek' show (Enterprise) for another (TNG).

I'm glad Lee is conflicted as some seemed to think he would just be skipping his way to airlock and no.

You just put an image of Jamie skipping in my head and I'm trying very hard not to laugh here at work. I never felt Lee would be skipping to the airlock, but I did worry that the writers would gloss over the impact this was having on him.
it is quite interesting to re-watch what RDM has done prior to bsg while keeping his work on bsg in mind. the overarching theme of religion vs. politics and fate vs. science in ds9 is actually quite amazing to follow knowing how he deals with these themes in bsg. i was talking to a friend about how we'd just LOVE to get laura roslin and ben sisko in a room together.

how do you ppl notice these details in previews? they seem to move so fast. then again, i noticed the pretty tv you've got. def beats my 13" computer screen. :D
When I rewatched Carnivale (which I need to rewatch again) I noticed a lot of similarities in themes as well as relationships between his work there and BSG. Interestingly, he left after Carnivale's first season to develop BSG and I feel the show suffered because of that.

how do you ppl notice these details in previews?

The detail did involve Jamie. I tend to notice those details. ;) The TV probably helped too. :)
well, carnivale got the worst of it, i believe, because it was canceled before its time, and they had to wrap it up, at least partially, somehow. too bad, it was a really good show. i'd love to read your thoughts on the parallels between the two shows, btw, if you ever have the time to write anything regarding the subject. i've been planning on writing something regarding bsg and ds9, alas, laura/gaius has eaten my brain and i've been writing dissertation-length meta on these two. :)

i blame the tv! i remember watching the show on dvd, on a real tv, after having seen it at least 3 times on my computer and noticing things i haven't noticed until then. amazing what a difference a LARGE crisp picture can make. :)
I had intended to do a post about the parallels I found between the series and it just fell by the wayside. Now I feel I need to rewatch the Carnivale, at least the first season, to do the post justice and not embarrass myself. ;) We do have another long hiatus coming up so maybe I can squeeze it in.
I am already working on a seriously long meta about parallels between ds-9 and bsg, and looking at what we might see happen in bsg's end game based on past rdm history.

Ben Sisko and Laura Roslin in the same room would seriously kill me dead of awesomeness.
you are? that is absolutely fantastic? would you mind dropping a comment anywhere around my lj once you make your post? i'd love to read it!

i am totally looking forward to this!
I never EVER liked Pulaski, and I still dont. She should have been beamed into space and phasered.
At the conclusion I was left with to wonder, what if? What if Picard had lost his case, Data was forced to be disassembled for study, and Starfleet created a whole army of Datas with the likelihood of them, eventually, turning on their masters.

That idea is kind of revisted with the EMH on ST:Voyager.
I was an infrequent watcher of Voyager, but it's a fascinating idea and I can imagine they went back to it.
I LOVE "Measure of a Man." That's one of my all-time favorite episodes of TV. I used to be able to recite Picard's whole speech from memory. Hee.

And, yeah, I was never a fan of Dr. Pulaski. She grated on me, and was way too much a Dr. McCoy clone for my tastes.
I always felt a little bad for Diana Muldaur because I don't know a single person who actually cared for Dr. Pulaski, myself included. Beverly Crusher kicks ass.
I actually read a post once in which the person went on about how Dr Pulaski was a much better character than Dr Crusher and I was stunned Pulaski had a fan! I just hated how disrespectful she was of Data and couldn't understand how Picard allowed her on his ship.
Ron Moore was a member of the staff in the second season of TNG; I think his first episode, which was in the second season, was the one where Riker is the first officer on a Klingon vessel in some kind of exchange program, which earned him the Klingon expert reputation for a while. (He did write most of the Klingon-centric eps on both TNG and DS9, and of his two Voyager episodes, one was Klingon-centric as well.) And yes, the question of Data's status is very much connected with BSG. I always felt that DS9 influenced the religious and political aspects of BSG, heavily, and the Cylons, in addition to being obviously descended from the replicants in Blade Runner, owed a lot to Data and the discussion of android rights on TNG.
Thanks for the information. I didn't think he started with the show, but came on staff later. I hadn't thought of Data being a precursor to the Cylons and their quest to be more human until I caught 'The Measure of a Man' again. TNG opened up a fascinating can of worms and one, understandably, the series couldn't spend a great deal of time focusing on. I'm glad the idea stuck with Ron and he opted to explore it further. I just hope we don't discover the Cylon god is Dr Soong. ;)
Well, one should check whether Ron Moore has met with Brent Spiner recently and hinted at cameos... *g*