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BSG: The Oath

Why is it that when everyone writes long posts, I write short ones and when everyone jots down quick thoughts I go on and on...and on? It must be a need in me to be contrary. :)


From the opening moments of this episode I felt it was going to be hard to watch, even by BSG standards. Surprisingly, about twenty minutes in, I began to relax. People were going to be hurt, people I care about are going to die, and the fleet will never be the same. Yet, I know it’s going to be OK. Kara grabbed her guns and saved Lee. Lee, in turn, saved Laura. Later, they all met up with Adama. The Core Four were together, working together, to get out of this mess and they will succeed. Yes, it’s predictable story telling, but in a show that can be so unrelentingly bleak, it’s reassuring.

I saw a few reviews by critics who were on the edge of their seats with the so-called cliffhanger. Does anyone really believe Laura’s raptor, with Baltar onboard, will be blown up? Or that Adama is going to go out in a firefight? No, if Ron really wanted to shock us, Lee would have died on the flight deck, Laura would have been executed in Adama’s quarters (could someone explain to me how the marines just left her there to escape?), Adama would fall apart, again, and Zarek would wrestle control of the fleet and lead humanity to it’s end. It’s just not going to happen. But that’s just fine by me.

Starting with ‘Hey, it’s whatshisname! I need to check imdb’ to my personal favorite, a run down of the significant players, their motivations and chances of survival.

Gage

We haven’t see Gage since the ‘Pegasus’ arc, have we? Even though he’s a piece of shit that will likely die, likely either at Athena or Helo’s hands, I was glad to see him. We never got to see the integration of the Pegasus and Galactica crews and I can’t believe it would have been a smooth transition. Cain had too much time to damage her people’s psyches. And Adama, apparently, never punished those involved in the rape and torture of Gina. For three years rapists have been walking amongst the Galactica crew. That’s really something to think about. How would the female members of the crew have felt about this? Because it wasn’t just violence against Gina, the Cylon, it was violence against a woman. Leoben wouldn’t have been repeatedly gang raped. And now we have the same people, newly enraged, walking the halls of Galactica and out for more payback.

On one hand, I could criticize Ron for never addressing the issue. On the other hand, it’s perfectly in character for Adama to rationalize, ignore what is in front of him, and just move on as if this didn’t happen. After all, it didn’t happen on his ship and he’d never allow it to! Accept when Athena was almost raped, on his shi. But not by his people! Accept they now are his people.

And Gage has a personal vendetta against Athena and Helo, for what they have been allowed to get away with and for rising through the ranks. I’m guessing gage hasn’t seen a promotion in three years while the Cylon and Cylon lover have become key members of Adama’s inner circle. He would have jumped at the chance to go after them.

Captain Kelly

Again, the character and situation is a good match. Adama is the one that allowed Baltar’s trial to happen. He’s one of three people who voted for acquittal (I suspect the news at some point leaked to the fleet). Now, Adama is pushing for a Cylon alliance.

From ‘The Son Also Rises’:

Kelly: And I have done my job for two years now. Every day I sent people out to fight. I cleared them all to die. So many people... I just got tired of living with that. You ask that man if you had to choose between giving his life up for a Cylon or a human, what do you think he'd say? I had to do something.

And as part of the alliance with the Cylons, humans would be expected to help the Cylons fight for their survival. To lay down their lives for a race that destroyed their civilization and kept coming after them with the desire to see every last one of them dead.

Narcho

Oh, Narcho. We don’t know enough about him to view his choice as shocking or not. He never spoke out in support of Cain, nor has he shown resentment towards the Galactica crew. He appeared to adapt well. But it doesn’t mean a hatred of the Cylons wouldn’t supersede his loyalty to Adama or his fellow pilots. I predict one of two things next week. He’ll have some sort of change of heart and won’t shoot down the raptor or, more likely, Hot Dog will shoot him down.

Seelix

When she walked in the door, the first thing I noticed was how pretty she looked. My first thought was, “You’re so dead.” And we have yet another perfect confrontation. More than any other mutineer, I feel sorry for her. She has the same reason to hate the Cylons as every other member of the fleet, but her anger is seems even more personal. She had a crush on Anders, a Cylon, who rebuffed her for Tory, another Cylon. Before Anders, she had a crush on Tyrol, yet another Cylon. She tells Anders that she now gets why he wasn’t attracted to her, it was his Cylon nature. It’s easier to say, ‘It’s you, it’s not me’ and, really, it isn’t her, but she’s angry at herself right now, for caring for Cylons, and directing that anger at Sam.

Conner

His son was murdered on New Caprica, by the Cylons and by collaborators and he’s seeing collaboration happening again. His comment to Lee about a trial was effective. But, dude, you punched Lee in the stomach and ordered his execution, you are dead to me! And, likely, you will be dead to everyone next week.

Racetrack

danceswithwords said it best, “Et tu, Racetrack?” This one did surprise me as much as it surprised Lee. He not only flew with her, she helped in his and Laura’s escape from the brig. She wanted the fleet to be united, not torn apart, and now she’s helping to do that. She’s standing by as her friend is about to be executed.

But, I think the Racetrack’s seemingly shocking choice is the point. Even Lee, who was aware of the dissention with in the fleet, did not see this coming. Did not see his friend standing by as a bullet was about to be put in his head. Things have become so bad, you no longer know who you’re friends are. You don’t fully grasp the depth of the fear of potentially living with your assassins. And you don’t see the willingness for people to choose war and death over an alliance with the Cylons.

Gaeta

I’m not sure what Gaeta’s fate will be. I thought when Laird died he’d begin to question his actions. His rage and need for vengeance had gotten in the way of thinking this plan through and the reality of innocent people, people just doing their job, would be a wake up call. Maybe Gaeta needs to lose another person close to him, like Hoshi, and have it be his fault before he realizes his motivation is not the good of the fleet, but Felix Gaeta’s payback.

Zarek

Tom Zarek is no longer the fallen idealist. I’m not sure he ever was an idealist. All his actions are now selfishly motivated. If Tom was a true idealist, he would see himself in Lee. He would have tried to support and elevate Lee these past four years, realizing, if Tom Zarek couldn’t help humanity retain it’s humanity, then perhaps Lee Adama could. Instead, he’s alternately manipulated Lee, to further his personal goals, or tried to kill him.

Tom Zarek has no future. He will be defeated. He’ll lose everything. I can’t see him going back to the brig. He may go down in a blaze of (perceived) glory or maybe Gaeta will be the one to end his life, a last ditch effort to redeem himself in some small way.

Cain

Cain is gone, yet I certainly felt her presence on Galactica. It’s her people playing key roles in the mutiny. It’s the inability to not let go of the hate, even if it means destroying yourselves. It’s the willingness to see your own race cease to exist rather than attempt to co-exist with the Cylons. It’s an acceptance that it’s OK to kill your own and feel no remorse.

Zarek is acting very much as Cain would. He’ll have his hands on Galactica’s nukes soon. Will he threaten to destroy the ships that don’t fall into line? Will he allow the Galactica to be destroyed by the basestar rather than surrender? (It occurred to me that Natalie had stated at one point that while most of the Basestar raiders had been destroyed, the ship had the ability to heal itself. Nothing was said of their nuclear capabilities being permanently disabled.) Is Zarek willing to fight a futile war driven by personal vengeance and take everyone down with him?

And, if I heard the preview correctly, Zarek, in record time, is going try Adama and find him guilty of his ‘crimes’. This smacks of the same trial given to Helo and Tyrol.

Baltar

Baltar is still the egomaniacal, sniveling, self-preserving weasel. :) I did love his scenes with Laura. This is the second time she’s had to turn to him in an attempt to stop Zarek and I’m sure he enjoys it every time she has to come to him for help. I also think his reaching out to Gaeta was genuine. He believed that maybe he could get him to see the error in his judgment and he was as likely as anyone to succeed in getting him to change his mind.

Kara

I don’t have a lot to say about Kara. I did enjoy her scenes immensely. It’s been a long time since we’ve seen the characters kick ass and take such joy in it. Being a non-shipper, the kiss with Lee didn’t make me squee, nor did it bother me. I can definitely see people viewing it as romantic, but it seemed more like an adrenaline fueled moment as in ‘I love life! And I need to share with you how awesome this all is!’ And I appreciated that Lee was a little bit, ‘WTF, Kara?’ ;) I do absolutely adore the buddy dynamic, having each other’s back, and I’m really glad these two will be fighting once more side by side.

Tigh

Tigh made one of the best points of the entire episode and subtly confronted Adama about his stubbornness and blindness to the reality around them. Yes, given the fleet’s attitude towards the Cylons, Tigh should not be taking point on the current situation. Not surprisingly, even though Tigh has screwed up a lot in his life and career, Adama will take Tigh’s advice over his son’s, adopted daughter’s and new girlfriend.

Adama

Adama’s obliviousness knows no bounds. He has no clue as to how many people have turned against him. When Gaeta lied about the raptor, I found it plausible that Adama could be talked into believing *a* glitch had occurred in Galactica’s systems. But when communications went down, a fire supposedly started, and Gaeta was coming up with one excuse after another, Adama couldn’t see what was happening?! Wow. It’s just completely inconceivable to him that anyone would dare break their oath to the uniform, to him, and be disloyal to the Great William Adama. Which I find humorous since it’s happened how many times over the last four years? And the previous circumstances seem almost trivial compared to what he’s forcing on the fleet now.

Everyone around him seems to have an understanding that the fleet is not going to immediately take to the idea of a truce with the Cylons. To have a Cylon baseship, with nukes, parked in the middle of the fleet. To have to walk down the corridors of their ships with their enemy. To have to allow that enemy to have a say in government and the direction their race will be taking. Everyone sees the inherent problems with the current plan and everyone, if not aware of a mutiny on a horizon, is aware of the discord in the fleet. But Bill Adama is going to have his morning cup of coffee and hang out with his new girlfriend and pretend it’s just like any other day. I just don’t know what more to say about this man any longer.

Laura

I have to admit I was angry at Laura in the opening moments of this episode. She’s smiling and happy and going to play the role of loving girlfriend and…..there are so many thongs wrong with this picture!. People are about to die because of what she hasn’t done. And she takes Adama to task because he’s using Lee and the delegates will see Lee as nothing more than his mouthpiece and she’s doing the exact same thing. She’s allowing Lee to fight her fight when he has no authority to and deal with all the crap going on.

But what really pissed me off is she doesn’t want to lead the people, she doesn’t want the responsibility, yet she won’t resign the presidency. Gods knows she has a legitimate excuse – her health – but she won’t do it because it would mean President Tom Zarek. So she creates a power vacuum. There is no clear leadership, no one is making decisions accept for the Admiral, who appears to be circumventing civilian authority, and it’s all going to hell.

My anger was short lived though. It was also clear she couldn’t let go. Her not caring was a façade. She’s telling Adama what he should tell Lee to do. And when Lee comes to her aid and informs her what is going on, the switch gets flipped backed on and she’s President Laura Roslin again. She knows what has to be done, she won’t allow Zarek to assume the presidency, and she will stop the death and suffering.

I wish Laura hadn’t allowed things to get to the point they had. But I’m relieved it was Lee and his harsh dose of reality that snapped her out of her delusion of being an ordinary citizen and not Adama’s passive aggressive crap.

There was a striking image I wanted to mention as well. Laura burned the scriptures and turned her back on her faith, the prophecy’s and being a prophet to her people. Yet, when she makes her plea to the fleet, she is sitting in Baltar’s chair, taking his place amongst his followers. Another sign that she can never quite escape who she is and what she means to the people.

Lee

It’s typical for Lee to be harder on himself then he deserves. Because of that, his comment about being played by Zarek didn’t really bother me. If Lee was played by Zarek, it’s only because Adama has given Lee plenty of reasons in the past to allow him to be played. How many times ha Adama left Lee out of the loop? Not taken a phone call from him? Not taken the time to explain things to him or ignored his opinion? There’s precedence for Lee being blindsided and angered by his father’s actions. And Zarek knows that.

Lee has been through all of this before, another neat reminder of Season 2 events. Lee tells Zarek he believed Adama overreached when he had him arrested….just as he believed Adama overreached when he ordered Laura put in the brig. And, again, with Laura out of commission, Adama is using military authority to supersede civilian authority. Lee is forced into a position to try and get the Quorum on board with a perceived military plan of action while Laura remains silent.

One of my favorite Lee moments of recent memory has to be this exchange:

Tigh: You got a problem.

Lee: Yeah, I got a problem. Your people annihilated the human race. You want to know why Tom Zarek’s got so much clout in this fleet? Because when you get past the arrogance, he’s right. We can pretend to put it behind us, exchange lofty words about an alliance, but if this is what survival has come to…

Adama: This is all we got.

Lee: It’s all they left us.


I wondered exactly where Lee stood on the Cylon issue. Lee may have put aside his hatred of the Cylons, but not his anger or suspicion. He sees this truce as a necessary evil to help ensure humanities survival. Again, in his talk with the Zarek, he brought up the need for the Cylon FTL drives. It’s not about being friends with the Cylons, it’s about what they can do for them. He’s looking to strengthen the fleet using their technology. In a way, he’s looking for his own brand of payback. He’ll use them if he can. After all, they brought them to this point. On the run for their lives and now turning on each other, the very least the Cylons can do and perhaps the only thing they can get from them is an ability to keep moving forward. Still, Lee must be looking around and asking himself, once again, are they worthy of survival?

At the same time, we know Lee does allow personal feelings to alter his opinion. I doubt he would have had that argument with Tyrol or Anders. Tigh and Lee have shared a lack of respect for each other since Day 1. The animosity has always existed and it’s not going away soon. Not only did a drunken, sometimes disastrous commander, look down on him, but it turns out he’s also a Cylon. Yet, I think back to ‘He That Believeth’ and Lee’s remark to Adama - what if it had been Zak stepping out of the viper? Lee has made it clear that if Zak or Kara was a Cylon he wouldn’t love them any less. He’s making an exception for them. He wouldn’t blame them for the destruction of the colonies, he knows what kind of people they are. So should Tigh and the others like him be held accountable? At some point does Lee see them differently, again?


A few random thoughts…

• This episode took place between the hours of 6:00am and 11:00am. Hee.

• Algae coffee? I’m really confused by the food situation. How do they have the ability to try to replicate other foods by using algae? Does it have something to do with the protein? And how do they have a food shortage, yet still have sugar after four years?

• Between Seelix’s fetching new look and Lee’s becoming new haircut, a stylist apparently survived the apocalypse.

• I really appreciated the quick and subtle shot of a terrified family huddled in the Galactica’s corridor. I doubt Gaeta stopped to think about mothers and their children dying.

• There were was so much continuity in this episode. Familiar faces returned and past events were recalled. My favorite nod to the past was Lee rescuing Laura, blood splattered on his face, gun fire heard in the background, a scene closely resembling the one in ‘Valley of Darkness’. Accept, this time, it’s not the Cylons coming after them, but their own people.

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If Tom was a true idealist, he would see himself in Lee. He would have tried to support and elevate Lee these past four years, realizing, if Tom Zarek couldn’t help humanity retain it’s humanity, then perhaps Lee Adama could. Instead, he’s alternately manipulated Lee, to further his personal goals, or tried to kill him.

Verra good point.


Lee may have put aside his hatred of the Cylons, but not his anger or suspicion. He sees this truce as a necessary evil to help ensure humanities survival. Again, in his talk with the Zarek, he brought up the need for the Cylon FTL drives. It’s not about being friends with the Cylons, it’s about what they can do for them. He’s looking to strengthen the fleet using their technology. In a way, he’s looking for his own brand of payback. He’ll use them if he can. After all, they brought them to this point.

I totally 1000% agree.

Your entire post was well thought out and I really appreciated reading it. Thanks for taking the time to put pen to paper. :)
Tigh made one of the best points of the entire episode and subtly confronted Adama about his stubbornness and blindness to the reality around them. Yes, given the fleet’s attitude towards the Cylons, Tigh should not be taking point on the current situation.

Thinking about that, I am really struck by how much living through the occupation on New Caprica and then finding out he's a Cylon have changed Tigh. The Tigh of Season 1 wouldn't have cared what the civilians thought; he would have been ready to go out there and tell them they'll do it or else. Now he seems much more aware of the limits of force, while Adama's the one who can't grok that not everybody will just fall in line because he (or his appointed Cylon spokesperson) tells them to.
Tigh's cracks about the Quorum indicate he hasn't done a 180 (though it's easy to believe his view of the Quorum is due to a general distaste for bureaucracy), but he certainly has much more of an awareness of the big picture and people's perceptions. I'd also add that being involved in a fatal shooting over coffee was quite the learning experience for him.

Gaeta told Adama he's not the same leader he once was. I don't think that's true. He hasn't learned from his mistakes or misjudgments. Tigh, on the other hand, has. And while Tigh may still consider himself a member of the Colonial fleet, sworn to protect it, and proud to wear the uniform (he and Athena could have an interesting conversation now), he has an awareness that he is not a good choice for pushing a plan to form an alliance with the Cylons.
Tigh's cracks about the Quorum indicate he hasn't done a 180 (though it's easy to believe his view of the Quorum is due to a general distaste for bureaucracy), but he certainly has much more of an awareness of the big picture and people's perceptions. I'd also add that being involved in a fatal shooting over coffee was quite the learning experience for him.

When you put this into perspective, that coffee Bill was drinking that Saul refused must have been REALLY bad. ;)
play the role of loving girlfriend and…..there are so many thongs wrong with this picture!

Best freudian slip typo ever!

Everyone around him seems to have an understanding that the fleet is not going to immediately take to the idea of a truce with the Cylons.

And that's the interesting crux of their whole situation. They've come too far since "Revelations" to just wave goodbye to the Cylons in the rearview mirror, and the Cylons (at least the 2-6-8s) need the Fleet far more than the Fleet needs them, FTLs or not. But selling that alliance to everyone else just isn't going to work, no matter how much sense it might make. So, I have absolutely no idea how everyone involved will get out of this one.
Spell check needs to be upgraded with a 'This is a word, but do you really want to use it here?' feature. ;p

I almost feel sorry for the 2-6-8s. They're hated by their own race as well as the one they are now with. And while they could just stay on their ship and try to find a place in space to hide from the other Cylons, what kind of life is that?

On the flip side, having a basestar in the fleet is a nice bit of added protection, but how does one deal with being protected by the people who slaughtered your family and destroyed your home? Especially after New Caprica.
Last night's ep was one of the best in a long time, IMO. I am so looking forward to next week. I thought Jamie was awesome and the exchange with Tigh you highlighted was indeed a fine moment. And the rapist thing, the echoe of Thorne and Gina and all that, It got a shudder out of me.
I have discussions with people about Gage and threatening Athena with rape and was that necessary. I'm leaning towards yes, if only because it helps to reinforce just how horrific the actions of humans can be as well.
Great post. I loved the episode, it was so exciting! Loved seeing Kara and Lee working together.
I loved seeing them work together, but I can always live without the kissing. ;)
I know ;) At least I don't think it meant anything serious. It was one of those happy to be alive kisses.
I liked Seelix's old hair. :P

I imagine the algae coffee is like Tofurky or whatever and certain flavors are pretty easy to replicate (bananna flavoring/scent can be made at home, for instance, using a few hydrocarbon compounds). But yeah, even if it were possible to manufacture, I doubt they'd have what they need to do it on the ships.

Why can't the writers think of anything besides raping cylons? If that's the only way to display hatred, how are the female rebels supposed to demonstrate their animosity? Well, except for Cain: of course the lesbian would order that her officers shouls rape a female cylon. Feh.
There was nothing wrong with her old hair, it's just so styled now! :p

how are the female rebels supposed to demonstrate their animosity?

Aim at the kneecaps and groins.

On one hand, I could criticize Ron for never addressing the issue. On the other hand, it’s perfectly in character for Adama to rationalize, ignore what is in front of him, and just move on as if this didn’t happen. After all, it didn’t happen on his ship and he’d never allow it to! Accept when Athena was almost raped, on his shi. But not by his people! Accept they now are his people.

Yes! And it's nice to mention this here because I feel a lot of this arc is about how sometimes it might be necessary to sweep things under the carpet and be lenient in order to survive because there aren't many people left, but sometimes it's not possible and it doesn't help at all. And I think this arc might be one of those times, and I think the situation with Pegasus certainly was.

Maybe Gaeta needs to lose another person close to him, like Hoshi, and have it be his fault before he realizes his motivation is not the good of the fleet, but Felix Gaeta’s payback.

Yeah. I really think though, that even if he does recant what he's doing and realise that it's going horribly wrong, there's no real way back for Gaeta now. Because even if he arrests Zarek and personally restores order to the entire Fleet, he ordered the death of the President, of Lee, sanctioned the death of Laird, and knowingly lead a mutiny whose goal was the violent and terminal removal of those in power.

Cain is gone, yet I certainly felt her presence on Galactica.

Yes, absolutely. I think that the comparison is deeper and more expansive than a simple Gaeta=Cain because that's...not accurate on many levels. But both of them are military officers who have gone through that same snapping point where they lose everything and decide that human life is no longer important as long as they perceive it to be paying for their "correct" end results. And interestingly both were partly driven to this point by the betrayal of their cylon lovers whose actions resulted in the deaths of their people.

Tigh made one of the best points of the entire episode and subtly confronted Adama about his stubbornness and blindness to the reality around them.

HAHAHA YES! I did find that Tigh - Tigh - had to SPELL OUT to Adama that, "BTW, I'M STILL A CYLON, DUDE! PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIKE ME EVEN LESS NOW."

I just don’t know what more to say about this man any longer.

I shake my head and try to laugh so I won't cry.

But I’m relieved it was Lee and his harsh dose of reality that snapped her out of her delusion of being an ordinary citizen and not Adama’s passive aggressive crap.

OH LORD YES. I would have died if the magical power of Adama Love And Time had Healed All Her Wounds. GRR.

Algae coffee?

I took that to be that they were using the algae to make approximations of other foods using flavourings (though who knows where they got those), the way you can make vegeterian "meat" out of mushrooms and stuff. The only explanation I have for how they're doing this is that the whole food shortage was originally partially precipitated by contamination in the "food processors," or something, so perhaps they managed to decontaminate them and these magical machines offer them more options in terms of how to process and package their algae mash?

favorite nod to the past was Lee rescuing Laura, blood splattered on his face, gun fire heard in the background, a scene closely resembling the one in ‘Valley of Darkness’.

You know, I was so swept up in the moment, I totally missed that! Awesome!
Yeah. I really think though, that even if he does recant what he's doing and realise that it's going horribly wrong, there's no real way back for Gaeta now. Because even if he arrests Zarek and personally restores order to the entire Fleet, he ordered the death of the President, of Lee, sanctioned the death of Laird, and knowingly lead a mutiny whose goal was the violent and terminal removal of those in power.

Given the personal supersedes everything else with Adama, Gaeta's death warrant was signed as soon a he sanctioned Lee's execution. Once the mutiny fails (and we know it will), Gaeta is going to know he can't come back from this. Would he take his own life? Would the show have another suicide so soon after Dee took her life?

And interestingly both were partly driven to this point by the betrayal of their cylon lovers whose actions resulted in the deaths of their people.

I hadn't thought about that! And Gaeta was originally to have had an affair with a Six!

could someone explain to me how the marines just left her there to escape?

Nobody knew she was in there. I think that was part of why they had the scene with Tigh looking so shocked to see her. if even Tigh didn't know, then your average fleet citizen isn't going to know either.

I really like - and agree with! - your post. Especially about how I was disappointed in Roslin but this redeemed her again for me. And how much I still hate Adama. Not passive aggressive my ASS. He never makes the hard decision, Asta! He ALWAYS makes someone else do it and then acts like everything is always in his hands.

I have so many Adama issues.
Nobody knew she was in there.

Actually, they did. When I was watching the enhanced/podcast version on Hulu, I noticed when Adama opens the door there is a marine standing there who looks right at Laura.

He ALWAYS makes someone else do it and then acts like everything is always in his hands.

And how much do you want to bet that he'll get credit next week for stopping the mutiny, even though he made a suicide stand while Laura went to get help from th Cylons and Lee and Kara went to try and take the ship back. :/ You're not the only one with issues!
Just finished watching online. Loved it! I've never liked that little weasel Gaeta. He doesn't have complete control over the mutiny or the marines, and I don't care if he's just beginning to realize it while still moving forward. I want to beat him with his crutch.

Most of my favorite people went out on that raptor. Cannot wait to see what happens when they don't get blown up....because there's no way they will. Someone has to fight Zarek and Laura is the only one with anough balls, aside from Lee and Kara, that can do it. Even if this mess is partly her fault. She'll try and fix it.
Zarek is dead man walking right now, It's just a matter of who takes him out. I'd love it to be Laura, but she'll likely still be on the basestar when it happens. Lee would make a good second choice given he had spared his life in 'Bastille Day' and may regret his decision now.

And the Buddy-Cop Badasses are awesome and can't wait for more next week.

I can't wait to see that scene they showed in the promo before the season began where they are shooting guns side by side. And there is something about Lee in a suit, rather than the uniform, carrying a gun that is quite hot.

By the way, do you mind if I friend you? I need more Lee-lovers to help me combat the Kara love. Not that I don't love her, but I have a hard time waving away things she does because she's not my POV character.

Friend away! And I know EXACTLY what you mean. I have a lot of Kara fans on my Flist and I do appreciate that because I can find her very frustrating and they help me understand her better. But Lee is my POV character and sometimes I just want to say 'Why are you talking about her when he's being so awesome?!?!' ;)

And I love your icon! :)
I love seeing your meta on this. I definitely think that with your recent rewatch of all things bsg, you had a lot of great observations that many of us might have missed otherwise.
Awwww, thanks. :) It's funny, I was discussing the episode with a friend the other night and he talked about how the "Previously On..." segments were confusing to him because they were utilizing some very old footage and it caused him to think he had missed an episode. I couldn't see that because I had just finished watching all the episodes in a relatively short period of time. But, when I thought more about it, if it's been months (and months) since you last watched a new episode then you could forget a lot of the smaller moments and seemingly less important (at the time) plot points.
Thanks!

I don't think Racetrack knew Conner planned to kill Lee. I just don't believe she'd agree to a plan where people - her friends - would be murdered. And while she was probably in shock when Conner ordered Lee to be shot, I still am displeased she didn't speak up and try to stop it. I'll be curious to see what her role is this week. Will she realize she made a mistake and switch sides again?
Sorry, had to drop in here unannounced because I am stunningly betrayed by Racetrack. I was floored by her (in)actions last week. I've tried wrapping my brain around the "she didn't know" argument except that she was there when Zarek took a wrench to Laird's head and then she flew Zarek to Colonial One and then flew Lee back. That's a lot of time to mull over and process what she just witnessed and to realize that this thing is spiralling out of control. She could have spoken up at some point. If she wasn't on board that killing was going to occur and in her mind was equating transporting Zarek with helping Lee and Laura escape Galactica back in Season 1, then Zarek's actions should have shown her otherwise. Regardless of whether she knew what Connor was planning (and is Gaeta being played by Zarek or what? Between Connor about to execute Lee (which I don't believe Gaeta would have sanctioned) and then the Marines firing in CIC trying to kill Adama ... Gaeta thinks he's running things but Zarek has a whole back-up system in play), she didn't do anything to stop what was unfolding in front of her so the only thought that holds for me is that she's onboard with the mutiny against my crazy space family. And my love for Racetrack stops the minute my crazy space family is threatened.

Apologies for the longness of the preceding, none of my friends watch the show the way I do (i.e., obsessively) so I have no one with whom I can talk about these things. And thanks for the podcast recaps Asta, I really appreciate reading those.
No apologies necessary, I enjoy reading all the various interpretations and points of view people have. And please feel free to talk obsessively here anytime. I can relate! ;)

I don't think I'm at the point of hating Racetrack because I'm still uncertain as to what is going on with her. This afternoon I posted some thoughts Leah had shared with her friend/admin of her website and while her POV helps to explain why Racetrack agreed to be part of the mutiny, it's still unclear why she didn't step back after what happened with Laird or step forward when Lee's life was threatened. I do wonder if what happened to Lee might alter her allegiance, again. Lee is a member of the government and Zarek, presumably sanctioning his murder, is clearly trying to solidify his power and deal with his enemies, not merely help reestablish the civilian authority. If Racetrack wises up and sees she's supporting a tyrant and made a mistake she could switch sides again. But I don't think I'll ever look at her the same way again and neither will her crewmates and friends.
I'm just so sad about her choice. *shakes head like disappointed parent* I created a drinking game around Racetrack which started the day Starbuck face planted her into a triad table after Maggie said something insulting about Karl - whenever she's on screen I yell Racetrack at the TV and have a drink. I just can't do that anymore. I'm also curious to see if what she has witnessed with Zarek and Lee and what she is continuing to see assuming she's still on Galactica as this mutiny is unfolding will alter her stance. I understand the argument from the mutineers but obviously take issue with the execution of their opinion. And the loss of my drinking game. But I am enjoying all-for-nothing evildoer Gaeta.

It's been very interesting to see which side of the argument characters are coming down on. Everyone is lining up pretty much how I thought they would (except Racetrack, of course). I understand BotS is even more action-packed than last week - is that even possible? Can anything top "I could do this all day"?