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Ten Shocking Revelations About Me That Fly In The Face Of Fandom...

1. I was not happy to hear that James was joining the cast of Angel.

2. I liked Kennedy - just not with Willow

3. I adore Season 4

4. I liked Riley - just not with Buffy

5. The only time I ever really enjoyed DB on Buffy is when he was Angelus.

6. I was happy when Joyce died, it meant she was off the show - she always annoyed me

7. About ME...Joss does not thrive on screwing over the fans, Fury does not hate Spike, and Marti did not ruin the show

8. I think the AR was a valid storytelling decision

9. I don't get what people find so fascinating about Restless

10. I Love Buffy Summers!...and she loves Spike. :)

ETA: Something cousinjean wrote made me remember one more thing I believe that many don't. So, I'm breaking the rules and adding a #11. :p

11. Spike *did* go to Africa to get his soul back. That is all....
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I'm with you on the majority of those. 1 was only true until I saw Spike go up in flames. After that, that info was my lifeline.

2 - Iyari Limon at Flashback Weekend was adorable and sweet and after that I tried really hard to like Kennedy, but I still couldn't.

Not with you on 6 at all.

I agree on 8 but I still think they could have handled it better, and that it wasn't necessary for them to go there in order to achieve the desired results. I also think that they didn't really think it all the way through and didn't realize at the time that there was just no way that Spike and Buffy could come all the way back from that in the time alotted while staying true to the show's feminist agenda. Shorty after SR aired I read an interview with Marti wherein she seemed to totally believe that when Spike came back with a soul he could hook back up with Buffy regardless of the AR and that we'd be fine with it. She actually went so far as to reference Luke & Laura and how he actually *did* rape her and they still worked out as a couple. So that's just... yeah. I don't think it was one of their smartest moves. Though I give them points for having the courage to try it.

9 - the appeal of Restless, for me, mostly lay in all of its speculation fodder, trying to figure out what all of the dreams meant, which parts were prophetic, and what they predicted (Martyr-Spike, for instance). And I'm still clinging to the fact that Xander's dream depicted a human Spike (and no, Randy doesn't count, even if it was the same suit).

As for 10? Wordy McWord. :)
I'm with you on the majority of those. 1 was only true until I saw Spike go up in flames. After that, that info was my lifeline.

Oh, I agree with you there. But I knew about James joining the cast of Angel before the finale so I wasn't aware that he was going to die. If I had know about that I probably wouldn't have had the sinking feeling in my stomach and my mind screaming "What does this mean for Spuffy?!" I honestly didn't want Spike dead and gone forever so I did become *very* relieved that he would appear again on Angel.

I agree on 8 but I still think they could have handled it better, and that it wasn't necessary for them to go there in order to achieve the desired results. I also think that they didn't really think it all the way through and didn't realize at the time that there was just no way that Spike and Buffy could come all the way back from that in the time alotted while staying true to the show's feminist agenda.

I see you point. It's just when I hear people talk about how it ruined Spike and ruined the show that I don't agree. I can't say that maybe there wasn't another way to get to their intended goal, but I also understand why they chose to go the route they did. Spike needed to hit bottom, he needed to do the one thing he had just told Buffy he would never do - hurt her - and he needed to realize what he was still capebale of doing. And I think if they had had one more season, Spike and Buffy could have a good relationship (they were definitely getting there) and it's my hope that, even if it's offscreen, it will happen yet.
1. Neither was I, and I still have somewhat ambivalent feelings about it.

2. I liked her at first, but that faded fast.

3. Me too :)

4. I liked Riley up until Doomed. After that, I wanted him gone.

5. I totally agree.

6. I didn't love Joyce, but I didn't really dislike her either.

7. AMEN! Without ME we wouldn't have these characters to obsess over in the first place, and contrary to popular belief, I don't think they're really interested in destroying the things we love.

8. I think it was too, but I wish the execution had been a little smoother.

9. Heh. Restless may well be my favorite episode, but I'm too sleepy right now to articulate why. I love everything about it, the pacing, the mood, the dialogue.

10. You know I agree wholeheartedly with this!
Heh. Restless may well be my favorite episode, but I'm too sleepy right now to articulate why. I love everything about it, the pacing, the mood, the dialogue.

Well, I'll be looking forward to your analysis when you get to Restless. Unfortunately you're only around The Wish now, correct? Guess it will be a little while. ;)
1. Ditto. As I've said numerous times.

2. Have to disagree with you there, sorry. But I hated her with Willow, too!

3. I like Season 4 as well. I wasn't hugely interested in the Initiative arc, but it has some of the best stand-alone episode. How could I hate a season that has Something Blue in it?

4. I only liked Riley when he was leaving :)

5. Angelus rocks. Angel sucks.

6. Joyce annoyed me. She was just so damn stupid sometimes. And she seemed to have an uncanny way of always saying the wrong thing.

7. Sing it, sister!

8. As do I.

9. I love Restless, but it has been over-analyzed to death.

10. As Buffy's biggest cheerleader, I am completely in agreement with you about that. Especially when it comes to the part about her loving Spike ;)
Joyce annoyed me. She was just so damn stupid sometimes. And she seemed to have an uncanny way of always saying the wrong thing.

I think you may have said it better than I. ;-)
I was with you back in May, as you know. I felt that AtS was too far gone.

Ah yes, the creative abyss that was last season. I do feel that Joss and the writers have looked long into it and have stepped back. Shockingly, I'm actually getting interested it whats going to happen to theses folks again

As ever I am moderate in my opinions. There was not a redeeming atom in all of Riley.

Yes, but had the character been interesting and had they hired a more charismatic actor, we may have acutually supported the Buffy/Riley relationship, never had the thrill of Spike and Buffy, and never been witness to Spike's redemption (or lovely body ;).
I think I'm with you on about 70% of that. Which 70% would that be? Guessing is the fun part...

Yeah, my sense of humor tonight should be taken out and shot.

Never liked Kennedy. Was sad when Joyce died (though I agree that she had an enormous talent for saying all the wrong things at the wrong times). Love Restless (it's like poetry, but to look at!).

I love Buffy. Still love Buffy and miss her muchly. And yes, she does love Spike. :-)
I think I'm with you on about 70% of that. Which 70% would that be? Guessing is the fun part...

Yes, I do have strange opinions. Just wait to see where my mind goes this season. I have wacky theories in the works. :D
1. I was not happy to hear that James was joining the cast of Angel.
I was iffy. I stil am, but am getting fonder of his presence.

2. I liked Kennedy - just not with Willow
I didn't like Kennedy.

3. I adore Season 4
Me too! New Man, Something Blue, HLOD, Hush...what's not to like? I even thought Maggie Walsh was a pretty kickass villain.

4. I liked Riley - just not with Buffy
I was neutral/ok on Riley until he started being a big ol' whiner in S5.

5. The only time I ever really enjoyed DB on Buffy is when he was Angelus.
Angelus was more entertaining, certainly, but ::whispers:: I thought B/A was lovely in the beginning.

6. I was happy when Joyce died, it meant she was off the show - she always annoyed me
I disliked Joyce and thought she was a lousy parent no matter how much they tried to whitewash her in later seasons.

7. About ME...Joss does not thrive on screwing over the fans, Fury does not hate Spike, and Marti did not ruin the show
I'll go with Joss and Fury. Marti didn't help the show any.

8. I think the AR was a valid storytelling decision
Me too. I've always seen it as the counterweight to Buffy beating Spike in the alley, which is NOT saying that Buffy 'deserved' it. The stress of the relationship caused them both to break down according to their natures. Buffy's was violent in nature and Spike's was sexual.

9. I don't get what people find so fascinating about Restless
Endless speculation fodder.

10. I Love Buffy Summers!...and she loves Spike. :)
Hallelujah!!
I disliked Joyce and thought she was a lousy parent no matter how much they tried to whitewash her in later seasons.

Ah, 'whitewashing', yes, excellent. I guess we were supposed to forget how during the first three seasons Joyce was either oblivious to what was happening with Buffy, believed she was a lier and/or disappointment to her, and kicked her to the curb only to blame Giles for Buffy running away. Yet, we were believe there was an incredibly strong mother/daughter bond in seasons 4 and 5. Uh-Huh.

The stress of the relationship caused them both to break down according to their natures. Buffy's was violent in nature and Spike's was sexual.

Hmmm, interesting take. Hadn't quite considered it in those terms before.
1. Me too. I'm in a wait and see mode right now. I don't find him out of character as some do, but I'm looking for more interesting things for him to do and react to. I was concerned after season 4 that they had lost the plot, but now I'm interested - and ironically it doesn't have anything to do with Spike's storyline :)

2. I was neutral on her until she became Willow's girlfriend. I didn't see the attraction on either side.

3. Me too! Great, no, classic stand alone eps, interesting arc though I think it could have been a little better, but I loved how things ended.

4. I liked Riley until Doomed, then he constantly got on my nerves.

5. Angelus on season 2 Buffy was certainly more dangerous and menacing than the wus that was on AtS last year!

6. When Joyce died I felt for Buffy because now she was the grownup and had to handle things on her own. Joyce was at best in denial and at worst very annoying.

7. Totally agree here. Why would people who loved their creation purposely ruin it? I don't get the Marti hate either. She's a fine writer, may have had her shortcomings as a show runner but that's hardly a reason to hate her.

8. I do too. I hated seeing it, but I could see it happening. And I liked how it was resolved between Buffy and Spike. Something James said in the Q&A in Chicago summed it up pretty well for me - that men and women are not necessarily supposed to make each other happy, but make each other stronger. The terrible things they both went through served to make each other better and stronger.

9. I find the speculation fun - and I love Buffy's rant on "men and their sales", LOL.

10. Sing it sister! :)

11. Joss said so, so it has to be true :)
I was concerned after season 4 that they had lost the plot, but now I'm interested - and ironically it doesn't have anything to do with Spike's storyline :)

Me too! My only reason for watching this season was Spike and now I have so many more reasons to watch. They really have turned the show around this season. Maybe it's because that managed to get so many good writers from Buffy. Again, I'm including Fury. ;)

Angelus on season 2 Buffy was certainly more dangerous and menacing than the wus that was on AtS last year!

Ack. I was so excited to hear about the return of Angelus and then bitterly disappointed when he did finally arrive. Did all the writers forget how to write the character? Angel wasn't scary, just incredibly annoying.

Maybe it's because that managed to get so many good writers from Buffy. Again, I'm including Fury. ;)

Oh yes, definitely. I think the best thing the Buffy writers do is balance the drama, angst and farce. Including Fury ;) They know how to bring the plot elements together better, IMO.

Did all the writers forget how to write the character? Angel wasn't scary, just incredibly annoying.

Oh yeah, the Angelus of AtS season 4 was a sad sack. The only time he was remotely interesting was in the eps with Faith, and I think Fury wrote one of those, and I'll bet DeKnight wrote one too.