The First Evil (asta77) wrote,
The First Evil

Yes, another BSG related post, but also evidence I watch other shows

Thanks to a headache combined with eye strain (likely brought on by too much time on the net, go figure), many of you have probably already read Mo Ryan’s Q&A with Jane Espenson and Ryan Mottesheard about ‘No Exit’. There were several comments that peaked my interest.

Ryan: Initially, much of the action in “No Exit” was designed to play through a few episodes. However, as the Cavil/Ellen story takes place over the course of 18 months since Ellen’s death on New Caprica, the intercutting between base ship past and Galactica present started to get confusing and we felt that distilling into one episode would be the best approach.

I have to agree that would have potentially become confusing. And as much as I felt overwhelmed by all the information being thrown at me at once, I do wonder if I would have felt frustrated getting pieces of information over the course of several episodes.

Ryan: John/Cavil is the only one who knows the Final Five because he corrupted the programming of the other six models to never speak of the Final Five or search for their identities. Obviously, if they did, then his little house of cards topples, which is why he boxed D’Anna.

D’Oh! It hadn’t occurred to me that Cavil is the one responsible for the “We can’t speak of the Five” programming.

Jane: The dates and sequence of the events surrounded Pythia and Kobol are going to be explored, I understand, in a comic book being written by Seamus Kevin Fahey [who is a "Battlestar" writer] and David Reed.

Why must shows force us to read the comic books to find out details?

Jane: The Final Five were polytheists until they met the Centurions, who were monotheists.

This was a little unclear to me in the episode. It creates some interesting questions which I wonder if they will address.

Ein Staunender: Will we get more information about this [previously] unknown colony [mentioned by Cavil in one of his conversations with Ellen]? Is it possibly founded or inhabited by people from earth? Or descendants/incarnations of the Final Five?

Jane: Oh, you mean The Colony? You're assuming it's a colony?

I didn’t mention Cavil’s reference to a colony in my recap and I haven’t seen many others question the reference, but it looks like we have another important reveal forthcoming.

Adamachief Lori C: The only [moment] in "No Exit" that gave me pause was when Adama refused Chief's offer of Cylon technology to fix Galactica. After all, Adama was the one pushing for the installation of Cylon FTLs throughout the fleet, leading to the mutiny which just ended. Why was he so hesitant, especially with Galactica in such dire shape?

Jane: This is about replacing the very bones of Galactica. About her not being her anymore, about Adama being forced to acknowledge the disease that's taking her away. It's about turning to the Cylons not just to help us but to make us and them the same. I see it as being an order of magnitude beyond the earlier decision.

Ryan: On some level, Adama is owning up to his responsibility for the mutiny – what was Lee’s line in The Oath about Zarek being right? – and is therefore reluctant to forge a deeper reliance on Cylon tech after the devastation it wrought. (Laura too, acknowledges her own responsibility by passing the baton to Lee.) Further, Adama is unwilling to accept that Galactica is in as bad shape as Tyrol says and his story in this episode is about him finally facing that fact.

It looks like we were meant to see definite parallels between the ship and Laura, at least according to Jane’s comments. And I agree with Ryan abut Laura, it was subtle, but I saw her accepting responsibility for her role in the mutiny, though I didn’t see that tied to passing the baton to Lee. If she wasn’t gravely ill, maybe. But Adama accepting responsibly by backing off from a deeper reliance? I didn’t get that. Perhaps because we’ve seen him so many times have one set of rules for himself and one set for everyone else. To me, it was fine to upgrade every other ship in the fleet, but no one was touching his.

Justin: One thing that I wished was addressed in last night's episode, and wasn't, was the fate of the mutineers other than Gaeta and Zarek. What happened to Racetrack, Narcho, and Seelix?

Ryan: Mr. Angeli addressed this point quite subtly (and definitively) I thought in the previous episode when we saw Kelly flip-flop and Adama offer mutineers the opportunity to recommit their allegiances during his final march towards CIC.

Well, crap. I wanted to see more fallout.

And Mo has also posted a Q&A with Tahmoh. But it deals with his work on Dollhouse and not BSG.

As for other TV this week…


The series got off to a strong start this season. The show hit a bit of a bump with Chuck’s evil ex returning. But the last two episodes I’ve felt rather ‘meh’. And the reason is Chuck and Sarah or, more precisely, their relationship. I’m over it. They either need to split them up, permanently, or make them a couple. I don’t buy the crap that putting two characters together ruins a show. In the case of a show like Moonlighting, Dave and Maddie having sex wasn’t the issue, it was everything that happened after that. And then there is The X-Files where keeping the two apart made no damn sense, especially after they had a baby together! A perfect example of a show that made a relationship work over the course of the series (with, granted, A LOT, of problems along the way) was Farscape. It can be done.

And I’m at a loss as to why Chuck and Sarah can’t be together romantically. They’re worried it will interfere with their work if they become emotionally involved. Well, clearly it’s too late for that because they are already emotionally involved. They’re already making mistakes, if you can call it that, because of how much they care for one another. I would agree that letting the higher ups know might be a bad idea, but they can sneak around. I doubt even Casey would out them.


Not only have I seen Mark Sheppard on three shows in two weeks, one of his henchman, Alex Carter (thank you imdb), costarred with him in last week’s episode of Burn Notice! The repairing sort of took me out of the episode, especially since they were playing similar characters.

Overall, I found this to be one of the more entertaining episode of the season. And I give the show credit for risk taking. How many series destroy their base of operations before the first season is over?

What I liked…

• Nate admitting he is an alcoholic, albeit a “functioning alcoholic”.

• Instead of staging an intervention, a revengention.

• Hardison’s interest in Sophie’s art history lesson. Which ended up making a lot of sense when he forced Eliot to go back to retrieve the painting he painted.

• Continuity! Nate tells his former boss if he’s not interested in the statue he knows “a Canadian oil man who needs something for his shelf”. Heh.

• Christian’s hair is (no pun intended) growing on me. And he looks good in glasses.

• Referring to Nate and Maggie as “very Nick and Nora”. Hee!

• Parker and Hardison pretending to makeout, Paker not realizing Hardison is into her, Nate and Eliots’ reaction to the kiss, and their not knowing if she was kissing Hardison or Sophie.

What I had a problem with…

• Maggie seemed a little cold to me. She believes her husband, who she supposedly still cares about, is down on his luck and she offers him her couch in her office?

• And that Maggie didn’t know the insurance claim was denied seems suspect. Even if Nate tried to shield her from the pain of the truth, I can’t believe she wouldn’t have heard from the doctors or hospital as to why a treatment was available, but wasn’t performed. And if they weren’t forthcoming with the information, we’re to believe she didn’t ask questions.

• I understand we need to see the team communicate with each other via their mics and earpieces, but they‘re talking to each other in front of other people and no one is questioning their behavior?

Life - I don’t have much to say other than it was enjoyable (accept for the parts with Ted which seemed a bit odd), but one thing kept bothering me. The actress who played the insurance investigator looked familiar. I realized she had played Tony Blair’s wife in The Queen, but it there was something else about her I was struggling to recall. It hit me this morning. She’s Damien’s wife!
Tags: battlestar galactica s4.5, chuck, leverage, life
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