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Podcast for 'Deadlock'

I've had a busy week this week and had to listen to this is parts and write up my notes quickly. I hope it all makes sense. As much sense as it can since this podcast was rage inducing. :/



They didn’t change a hell of a lot from start to finish. Originally the episode was titled ‘The Drowning Woman’, referring to Galactica herself, her difficulties and drowning and also, metaphorically, Caprica Six. Jane changed the name.

Originally Caprica was to walk down corridors of Galactica and be set upon by thugs from the Sons of Aries. They moved the action to Dogville during the production process. It was visually more interesting and reminded you that civilians are on board and that Galactica is two tiered with the military above and the civilian survivors down below.

(And here is where the rage begins…)

After Caprica was impregnated, they weren’t sure where they wanted to go with the story. In the writers room, someone had thrown out the idea of Cottle telling Adama that Caprica is pregnant. Ron laughed - “I fucking love that” – then they all laughed. They didn’t know where it would go from there, but Ron said, “Let’s do it”. It provided a further exploration of love and added a layer of complexity to series.

Humans and Cylons are moving closer and closer and are forced by certain circumstances and responsibilities to share certain duties. The CAP felt like a visually interesting way show us rather than tell us what is happening.

Ellen’s arrival is deliberately reminiscent of her first arrival on Galactica in TMU, TMD.

They lost track of Boomer for awhile. (Bet she knows how Lee feels!) While they kept dropping her in, they didn’t have a strong role for her to play. It took awhile to come up with something for Boomer. They never gave up on it, but, at times, they didn’t think it would happen. The writers felt she was a thread that needed to be tied up by the end of the series since she had been there from the beginning.

The Boomer thread was picked up at the midpoint of the season and they asked how would she tie in to rest of show? Her storyline changed after the writer’s strike, but Ron can’t talk about it yet.

In the original draft, Tigh did not greet Ellen at the raptor. He didn’t see her until end of the debriefing. They felt it was stronger to have them reunite in the tease.

Ron likes that Ellen is still drinking, still Ellen, but is something more. She owns her own shit. She doesn’t blame the world for her problems. When the Five’s memories were wiped and they were reinserted into Colonial society, what came to the fore was the default aspects of their personalities. They are who they are and who we’ve known over the course of the series.

As originally structured, Baltar didn’t return as quickly to Galactica as he does here. Angeli’s script caused them to redo Baltar’s part of the story.

What is Baltar’s role with the people now? Who would and would not follow him? What is all about? What he’s after? What’s his real relationship with God at this point? He’s been driven by guilt, self loathing and remorse and those aspects come to the fore here as well. This is another apocalyptic event in their lives, but this time he chooses to return, something he didn’t do in the mini , to try to lead and help them.

In early drafts of the script, Ellen ran down a list of candidates for who Tigh slept with. Laura’s name even came up.

With the Five gathered in one room, the audience would expect something to happen. Ron wanted to get it out of the way as soon as possible. He didn’t want some revelation or moment and liked the idea of nothing happening. Ellen remembers and has a larger awareness – the scene is played on a more personal rather than metaphysical level.

What would the logical next move for the Cylons be? Characters have their own POV and predispositions to do things that will drive them in a certain direction. One the Five were reunited with the Skinjobs, the Skinjobs would say lets get the hell out of dodge.

There was lots of debate as to how the vote would go. Did it have to be unanimous? Democratic? The Cylons seemed to always go with majority rule. They wanted the swing vote to be Ellen.

Baltar is trying to step up a bit, trying to reach out in genuine human levels, and trying to do so without manipulation. He’s trying to act from the right point of view while also trying to reestablish his authority and power. The shawl gives it a somewhat biblical flavor.

The bit about Laura never calling Caprica by name was Mary’s improve.

The writers are sewing pieces together, weaving together a cloth with the visions, opera house, Caprica Six, Caprica’s baby, the one god that Baltar refers to, etc.

(The rage builds….)

As Tigh’s feelings for Ellen rise up and his feelings for Adama are made clear, the baby begins to go into distress. You can read this in one of two ways. Either as a metaphysical connection on the level of ‘Did God’s true love allow child to be conceived? Would it allow the baby to be born? And if the feelings are not true would she lose child? The practical, more prosaic interpretation is that no Cylon had never produced a child. There had been pregnancies, but none taken to term. Tigh and Caprica is just another failed Cylon/Cylon pairing, doomed from the start. From the beginning, they have tried to allow you to see things either way. Is it coincidence or divinely motivated? You can read into the story what you would read into it as the characters would. Some characters would put supernatural spin on it, not wanting something explained by rational means. In ‘33’, Baltar prays just as Laura gives the order for the Olympic Carrier to be destroyed. There is no rational connection between the two events. Baltar saw a supernatural connection, but it could be an extraordinary coincidence. There is no clear, definitive hand of god moment and you can look at it both ways.

There is a reversal of roles with Adama pulling Tigh into his drinking circle.

Galactica is eating away at Adama in the same way Laura’s cancer is eating away at her

(Oh, look, more rage…)

It was important to deposit Head Six here. There were scenes (scripted) for her in earlier episodes. There was a bigger sense of her coming back and Baltar being surprised by her return. They excised the scenes because Ron didn’t want to draw attention to her being gone so long and make it a bigger deal than it was. (Dude, she’s been there since the mini, like Boomer, it was a big deal.) They wanted to use her effectively and have her only show up when she has something to say. She probably visited Baltar off camera so he wouldn’t be completely shocked to see her now. O_o

(And my head starts throbbing…)

They are playing many changes to Galactica. One idea is that there are places on the ship that aren’t safe to go down anymore. Once the mutiny went down, they (Adama et al) had to ship off a big boatload of mutineers. Racetrack, Skulls, and others who sided with Gaeta were shipped off Galactica to the prison ship. (My Narcho! And no wonder they need the Cylons on CAP!) The Galactica had a fairly small crew to begin with and it’s now even smaller with the mutiny as well as a result of what has happened through the years. The ship is honeycombed with different pockets of authority. The marines had their hands full just trying to provide security to vital portions of ship – engineering, launch bays, CIC – that are needed to keep Galactica running. There are no longer enough marines and regular officers. Dogsville and other sections were given over to the civilians. In the wake of the mutiny, a different situation has arisen and they can’t even pretend they are in control of whole ship now. Adama can’t even walk parts of ship (Um, then please explain how Laura is walking around with NO security. Isn’t she vital to the running of the fleet?) This change is not being allowed to happen, it is just happening. Life on the ship now has a half life associated with it. There are wounds to the people and they ship, it’s not a sustainable way of life anymore, the end is coming.

Ellen and Tigh have a Who’s Afraid of Virginia Wolf type of relationship. They hurt each other, but can’t be torn apart from each other. They are machines, but still people on some level. They are still crippled and damaged by their own failings. Ron assumed in the mini she was dead and had no plans to bring her back. He was hesitant to do it. He didn’t want family and friends to keep popping up. But she became more important and she came back for a reason, a larger purpose in the drama.

(And my head explodes…it’s been nice knowing you.)

There is a connection between Tigh’s feelings of truth and love, what is true or not true, and the life of the child. The storytellers are leading you to believe there is a direct connection and that is what caused the miscarriage. But, logically, someone like Cottle would have a very different take on it.

Baltar is giving voice to state of affairs, truly, of the people. He’s speaking for people outside the walls. They are better at defending themselves and being in charge of their own security rather than the overstretched marines who can’t do much with civilian crowd control.

Galactica is becoming a different ship, a different community, with a different idea of community. Who do they accept into their ranks and who do they accept as people? Do they accept Cylons as people? Could they accept them as people?

Apparently, the Cylons are being allowed to add photos to the wall – a big step.
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