Lee/Laura - By Your Side

BSG: Daybreak Part 2

I’ll have more to say after a rewatch or two, but I wanted to get a few thoughts down now. I know reaction will be mixed, but, overall, I was happy with how it ended.



This morning, I got spoiled for Lee and Kara not ending up together. You guys know me, so I’m just going to be honest, it made me happy. I adore their relationship as friends, but they’ve been toxic for each other as lovers and I have never found them compatible in that way. The argument can be made that they were going to be given a fresh start, but apparently Kara Thrace died in ‘Maelstrom’. I know there will also be rage over Kara’s ambiguous end. My take is she, like Head Six and Head Baltar, was an angel; accept one allowed to interact with all because she had a destiny to fulfill. Why she had to die to fulfill that destiny, I am unclear on. Maybe she wasn’t supposed to die in ‘Maelstrom’ and God (though it doesn’t like that name apparently) brought her back to fix a mistake.

OK, I’ve been waiting since of June of 2008 to say I told you so. It was a earth, perhaps the original earth, but not our earth and not the earth they were meant to find, contrary to what Adama thinks. Thanks, Bill, for being wrong until the very end.

I’ll need beccatoria to back me up on this, but in the email conversation we were having today I speculated that the fleet could end up setting on our earth in our distant past. I didn’t think it would be quite that distant. I was thinking more along the lines of a couple thousand years ago and that their religious beliefs influenced already existing civilizations. The cycle is broken when, over the millennia, humans and Cylons find away to breed and combine the races. Of course, the cycle could begin again as we come to rely more and more on machines and artificial intelligence. It turns out that’s pretty much how Ron wrapped up the series!

What I Liked (The Lee Section):

• LEE LIVED! Thank you for that Ron, I’ve seen Jamie die on screen far too many times.

• POLITICAL LEE! He’s always being there. And he’s always had a handle on his father, his selfishness, his stubbornness, his inability to see outside his bubble. It’s his way or no way. Still, Le couldn’t help but try to make the old man proud.

• Lee commanding a unit of centurions. I had flashbacks to ‘Valley of Darkness’ when he was scared shitless trying to take one out, now they have his back.

• Lee came up with the plan for a fresh start! Presidential to the end.

• But his ending was bittersweet. In the span of a few minutes, he lost everyone he loved. On the other hand, for the first time in his life, he felt free, as if anything was possible. He didn’t know what direction his life would take. It made me a little verklempt. And, in my mind, he found someone to climb that mountain with him, Nurse Ishay. ;)

What I Liked (The Rest):

• The scene between Laura and Cottle. She almost made Cottle cry! And she certainly got to me.

• The attack on The Colony was spectacular.

• Old Skool Cylons interacting with New Skool Cylons. At first I questioned the choice, but then I realized The Colony has been around since the first Cylon war and I doubt they would have just scrapped all the old models.

• Addressing Tory’s murder of Cally and Tyrol snapping her neck. Some will say Tyrol’s rage sabotaged the truce and could have meant the end of them all, but did anyone really believe Cavil was going to keep his end of the bargain after he got the information he needed?

• Caprica got a happy ending with Baltar. She never stopped loving him and it seems he loved her or loved her as much as he could any woman. I think they can actually build a life together. Baltar was a prisoner of his ego and genius and both are meaningless now. What can he put to use? Farming, a skill taught to him by his father. And Gaius Baltar, after everything he’s done and everything he’s been through, finally broke down, finally found some peace.

• Helo lived. I really thought he was a goner. And what is with him and leg injuries? I’m glad he, Athena, and Hera got a happy ending.

• Boomer achieved redemption. I didn’t feel they needed the flashback to her meeting with Adama and Tigh. I just assumed “Tell the Old Man I owed him one” referred to her shooting him.

• As much as I adore Bear’s work, I felt it was fitting that the original ‘Battlestar Galactica’ theme was used as the fleet approached the sun. This has all happened before and will happen again and all.

• Laura got to see earth. She got to see her people settled and the fruits of everything she’s fought and sacrificed for. She died at peace and she deserved that. Also, the dying leader, with her last bit of strength, tended to her flock.

• Beautifully incorporating the previous scenes we’ve seen of the Opera House with what was transpiring on Galactica. Caprica and Baltar took Hera, but it wasn’t for their benefit or the reasons feared.

• Adama, dies, alone. Thanks, Ron.

What I Didn’t Like:

• Couldn’t they have made sure to get all the footage they needed of Lee with longer hair before they cut it for the flashbacks? The wig he was wearing during the raid on The Colony was terrible. Thankfully, the scenes were brief.

• I’m not sure what the point of Laura’s date was. She has bad sex and decided to join Adar’s campaign?

• I had just got into a zen place this afternoon regarding the Adama/Roslin relationship and I was fine with their scenes in the finale right up until that selfish presumptuous bastard put his wedding ring on her finger! You know what, you weren’t married! You never even asked her when you had the chance! Probably because you knew what the answer would be. You just do not make that choice for her.

• I was OK with Admiral Hoshi, but President Lampkin? Hello fan service!

• Daniel the missing Cylon was not Kara’s father. It seemed so clear!

• The Pigeon. The Pigeon was representing Kara. Really? And, wow, heavy-handed.

• The Lee/Kara/Zak scenes I went from enjoying immensely to being really offended by them. Where do I begin? They forgot Zak was six feet away and almost had sex on the table with him present. And we have a double whammy with canon. Kara has a history of cheating *and* she met the wrong brother first. I believed she loved Zak and Sam and Lee equally, in different ways, and at different times. Now, we’re meant to believe it’s always been Lee and she was just scared of her feelings for him (though I don’t know why) and stayed with her fiance and husband out of loyalty???

If anyone was wondering about the weird act breaks, I read an interview with Ron earlier and he wrote ‘Daybreak’ as one three hour film and wasn’t happy with SciFi’s splitting the episode into two parts. As for his cameo, it didn't really bother me. Maybe I just expected him to put himself in the episode somewhere.
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I also liked the episode, and went into some detail in my LJ. We're not in the majority, though. LOL

• Beautifully incorporating the previous scenes we’ve seen of the Opera House with what was transpiring on Galactica. Caprica and Baltar took Hera, but it wasn’t for their benefit or the reasons feared.

• Adama, dies, alone. Thanks, Ron.


I thought it was a stroke of almost genius how they incorporated the whole opera house scene into the CIC, and with the final five looking down from above. Also, it showed Mary looking totally luminous, and we haven't seen that since the beginning of S3.

OTOH, totally fitting end for Adama.
I've been reading some criticism of the Opera House scene in that, while beautifully integrated with the CIC, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense and is kind of a let down after all the build up to it's importance. I'm not sure what to think now. I probably need to watch that sequence again. It does strike me that the Opera House was the focus of the shared visions and Galactica is the focus of the fleet and there is an interesting parallel there. And maybe it was simply used to guide everyone to this one location, the culmination of the drive towards unity - the Five, the humans, the hybrid child, and the Cylons all in one room together. That has never happened before.
I liked it because there's two parts to the vision - the running through the Opera House and the Final Five vision which came later. And because they could all see and understand that the vision was coming true, they allowed it to come true. They played their roles, even though they had no more information than - here is the thing we've been dreaming about. And praise the Gods, Baltar knew it was that time to step up.
I’ve seen Jamie die on screen far too many times.

Hee! (that reminds me, I gave up on Pulse 2. not even for the love of Jamie can I do horror films... well, except for Ghost Rig, but that was more of a comedy! ;0P)

• I’m not sure what the point of Laura’s date was. She has bad sex and decided to join Adar’s campaign?

Ah, I fanwanked that as she realized she was still in love with Adar and wouldn't be getting over it by playing with boytoys. Pity. :P

until that selfish presumptuous bastard put his wedding ring on her finger!

Very good point. Didn't you get the memo? It's always all.about.Adama. Hell, he'd rather build a cabin for a dead woman than spend time with his living son. Oh wait, he's always been good with the dead ones - it's the living ones he can't handle.

And I thought the present-day coda with Ron's cameo was gratuitous. C'mon, Ron, you've credited your audience with better-than-average intelligence all along, why hit us over the head with connect-the-dots now?? (and couldn't you have stayed in the background?)
One day I need to do a chart of all Jamie's screen deaths. With offshoots of he might as well have died (I'm looking at you, Ultimate Force).

Was Laura involved with Adar at that point? I can't recall if she was agreeing to join the mayoral campaign or presidential campaign. If it was the former I don't think they were involved yet.

Oh wait, he's always been good with the dead ones - it's the living ones he can't handle.

::Snerk::

Well, he has spent a lot of time in the morgue with dead bodies. I guess it's fitting he wastes away (?) sitting next to Laura's body.
I felt the same about the L/K/Z flashbacks. I loved the early ones, but hated that L/K went so far. I *love* this scenario in fic, but never ever wanted it to actually be on the show. Fic exists because it's SUPPOSED to be different from canon. L/K had just met and they both loved Zak so much; I just can't see this happening, not even with the booze. It's probably supposed to be "romantic destiny" or some shit, but no, they just look like jerks. And you know I am a shipper and thus the target audience for those scenes. But I don't like them like this.
The early L/K/Z scenes were enough. We saw the attraction and the what if? And we got to see another layer to the relationship. I have this theory that Ron just didn't know where to stop because there are just so many scenes that went on for just a bit too long. I suspect that, unlike a lot of other scripts, this was not written by committee and was all Ron. And given the cast seemed exhausted by the end (there is a real lack of enthusiasm and energy in the last batch of video blogs) they maybe weren't as vocal about problems with the script as they have been in the past.

At least that scene finally united shippers and non-shippers. ;-)
With the notable exception of Kara/Lee not ending up together (or Lee even getting a proper goodbye which is pissing me off enough that I couldn't frakkin' sleep) I totally totally totally second every last thing you said. The things that rocked, rocked HARD. And the things that sucked, sucked HARD.

I need more time to process it all.
I'm still processing! And spent today writing a post and then rewriting the post. And I don't think I'll post until tomorrow because I want to take one more pass at it.
On the other hand, for the first time in his life, he felt free, as if anything was possible.

I had issues with the flashbacks for other reasons, but one thing I think they did was make clear how much baggage Lee was carrying around, and how losing everyone he loved, while painful, was also freeing. (Like a pigeon! Sorry, I just can't get over the pigeon.)

Daniel the missing Cylon was not Kara’s father. It seemed so clear!

I'm confused. I didn't think we saw anything to actually contradict that. I mean, she could have been an angel and he could have been her father, right? I'm assuming that all of her viewpoint that we've seen after "Maelstrom" were real, and that she didn't know what she was any more than we did. And it could be that that was why she was the one who came back to bring them there.
I mean, she could have been an angel and he could have been her father, right?

I agree, but confirmation would've been nice. Oh, well.
The Pigeon was Kara. I have no words.

Laura was near death and it had become painful to see her push herself to go on. While he would feel her loss, he could certainly accept it was time for her to go. Adama is an asshole who never, ever gave Lee the credit or respect OR LOVE he deserved and Lee is well rid of him. But Kara, even though I'm not convinced they could make it work because I think Kara was still carrying baggage, it does sadden me that he never really got a chance to see if they could make it work. There was something about his non-surprise that she just disappeared that tells me he already knew her time there would be short.

We saw nothing to contradict that Daniel could be Kara's father, but Ron, in what I feel was a huge mistake, has stated in numerous interviews that he never intended a connection to be made between Daniel and Kara and it's something the fans came up with on their own. Apparently, Daniel was just used to show how deep Cavil's resentments ran.
Ron, in what I feel was a huge mistake, has stated in numerous interviews that he never intended a connection to be made between Daniel and Kara and it's something the fans came up with on their own. Apparently, Daniel was just used to show how deep Cavil's resentments ran.

WHAT. So he never planned to address the missing Cylon? Wonderful. It's a good thing that, like so much of the show, it worked out by accident anyway.

I've been trying to figure out why I haven't been more upset about what they did with Kara, and as I was telling brynnmck, I'd become convinced for some time that what RDM et. al. found so fascinating about her was her suffering. I would have liked a different end for her too, but I think it would have had to have its roots back in the end of Season 2 or so; after a certain point, she was marked for sacrifice, and watching this episode, I was just relieved that we'd already seen the sacrifice. Bleah.
Nope, he never planned on Daniel being a big deal. Which I find insane since in like the sixth to the last episode ever you all of a sudden decide to address why there is no seven when no one was really thinking about it at that point. And didn't we have enough proof that Cavil was not a nice guy without establishing he killed an entire line? We already saw him box D'Anna.

It's sort of funny, I've never given Kara a lot of consideration over the years and NOW she's consuming my thoughts.
I really liked it - it was a much happier and more hopeful ending than I expected!

I was happy for Lee - he does know his father, but whereas before it made him angry, here he's accepting, there is no longer any angst over it. I was a little surprised he and Kara did not end up together, but I think it was right; they could be great friends, but there was just too much baggage between them to be lovers.

The flashbacks helped me to understand why Ellen was always so angry and hateful; she was ready to have her husband all to herself, and then he goes back to the service because his best friend does! I was very happy for her and Saul at the end.

And I never thought I would say this, but Gaius Baltar made me teary, and in a good way!

Laura made me teary too, and I think part of it was she reminded me of my late aunt - the resemblance at times was uncanny.
While Lee let go of his baggage, I'm not sure Kara did. Zak and Sam and how those relationships ended did damage that I'm not sure could ever be fixed.

I really didn't think they'd be able to sell me on Baltar's redemption, but they did!
I agree about Kara. She'd been too damaged. She's getting her peace in the only way she can.
Ok, I've seen it, I quite liked it. I got mixed up with the flashbacks and also need to watch it again, and probably again. And Andrew decided he wanted to watch it too. I think it's the first ep he's seen...

One of the best things is that Andrew's finally connected a computer to the tv so I got to see this with decent sound and on a big screen. That seemed fitting for the finale of an epic show.

And now I'm going to bed and I hope to bring more thoughtful thoughts tomorrow!
I'm glad you enjoyed it. A lot of people didn't. I'll have more thoughts myself tomorrow. :)
I have so much to write about this episode, but I really liked it. And godsdammit, Daniel is Kara's father, I don't care what Ron says. In fact, if the whole point of the final episode is "there are questions you'll never know the answers to" (see: Baltar's speech in CIC), then we should be able to make up our own minds about this. Let's hope "The Plan" doesn't fuck that up.

Overall I like what it did and what it had to say. I'm still turning it over in my mind about how a rewatch will be affected by that ending. And in some ways I'm sort of less interested in Caprica now because BSG is a creation myth and telling the backstory of a creation myth seems odd. (I will watch it but right now I don't feel a special desire for it.)
And godsdammit, Daniel is Kara's father, I don't care what Ron says.

I'm working on a second post and it's become clear to me the more I think about it that Daniel HAS to be Kara's father or else a lot of stuff just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, why was Kara, out of all humanity, chosen for this special destiny if she didn't already have a connection of some sort to the Cylons?

One thing I will be focusing on in my next rewatch is Head Six. Given that Baltar actually managed to redeem himself and embrace faith if not a higher power, I want to see exactly how she got him there.

Have you seen the latest trailer for Caprica? I'm not really impressed and it seems much more soap/traditional drama than scifi drama. Plus, not as many hot actors! ;)
This is why writers should shut up about their intentions and go with good readings ;-) But EXACTLY, it doesn't make much sense otherwise.

I think Head!Six just worked her way into his psyche - told him what he wanted to hear, got him on side and then tempted him with the belief that he was important. Which, in the end, he was. And, I suppose, God knew that!

Will search for new Caprica trailer now...
Oh, Tyrol snaping Tory's neck was TOO SATISFACTORY for words. I also love how that moment underlined the definition of what's important and meaningful in the whole damn story: people's trust and love for one another (not any sacred final five crap or questionable truces that look like setups for future wars). Sure, the Cylons especially had some serious issues understanding the concept of love - like pregnancy being made possible/sustained by it, ugh! - but the true meaning of it is pretty damn simple by the end, and it was done well enough to make me cry extra-hard.

Oh, show.
Your take on Tory's death is interesting because I've seen many complaints, not about her dying, but how she died and the violence of it. And there is a certain amount of hypocrisy in that Tyrol had just (presumably) killed for Boomer, to protect her, and Tory is killed for trying, to her mind, to protect herself and the other Cylons.

And, in my mind, he found someone to climb that mountain with him, Nurse Ishay.

I've been thinking today that I hope he ended up with the Six who was in the Quorum - I suck too much to remember her name, but she seemed cool. And they would make pretty politically-savvy babies.
I'd support him hooking up with Sonja too. Cylons are very open with their sexuality. Maybe they could all get together. ;)