BSG Cast - Starpollo

A Long Time Coming

Yes, once again, it's been awhile since I've posted to LJ. Well, my LJ. I have been posting to jamiebambernews. And there is Twitter. And email. So, I have not been non-communicative. Basically, work frustration + some family drama has meant by the time I get home and start to relax I really don't have the energy to or feel at all motivated to post. But, I have some links I've wanted a share and my Battlestar Galactica love is renewed. It never left, but I've spoken of my frustrations with fandom and the break I took was a really good thing. Having new footage to enjoy also helps. The 4.5 deleted scenes for those that haven't seen them yet. And beccatoria recapped what was cut as well. Because she did such an awesome job, I'm not doing my own recapping this time.

For the first time, I did not watch the deleted scenes and feel extremely disappointed that something wasn't included in the aired version of an episode. The majority of the cuts were minor as compared to entire scenes or subplots that have been eliminated in prior seasons. With a few exceptions, what was cut would not have added anything or changed anything we saw on screen. Many of the deleted scenes were merely longer versions of what we saw, with a few lines trimmed, likely for time.

There are a few scenes I'd like to comment on.

Sometimes A Great Notion

Baltar addresses a group of followers/makes a radio broadcast. There are two aspects of the scene I really appreciate. Baltar genuinely seems shaken by the discovery of earth. Yet, unlike so many who have given up (there were 14 'official' suicides, but he believes the number is higher), he tries to motivate people to go on, "Paradise has to be earned."

What I also like is the foreshadowing. Baltar talks about how it will be tougher (yes, even tougher) before it gets better. Salvation will be paid for with blood, sweat, and tears. He talks of those who gave up and how those who hang on will be deemed worthy to enter the promised land. God will lead them to it. Baltar also mentions how Cylons and humans are the same in God's eyes. Both races must overcome their transgressions and animosities. I feel that if at least part of Baltar's sermon had been kept, then the revelation that God was leading them the entire time to their new home would have been, perhaps, less of a disappointment for fans. Or at least would not have seemed so out of the blue. Though, I will continue to argue, given the numerous references to God throughout the course of the series, the finale wasn't all that surprising.

Unfortunately, there is some weirdness within the scene in the form of Athena and Helo sitting amongst Baltar's flock and apparently being followers. While it explains their need to have Dee babysit, neither has ever been shown to be supportive of Baltar in any way. Nor has Athena and Helo's faith ever been strongly addressed. Perhaps we were meant to believe after discovering earth was not everything they hoped it would be, they sought out religion to provide comfort? But, frakking Gaius Baltar???

The weirdness grows with Caprica. (I think, it's never made clear it's her. It could be another bleach blonde Six in black that wanders in.) People don't want a Cylon present, at which point Athena stands up and declares she's a Cylon, followed by Helo standing, extending his hand, and asking her to sit with them. It just all comes out of nowhere. I wonder if the entire scene was lost when someone in the editing bay (wisely) stated this was all coming out of nowhere and was connected to nothing.

Blood on the Scales

I usually like watching Laura tear into Baltar, but as they argue over how they arrived at their current predictment, Laura ends the discussion with, "Is that clear enough to your brain, or do I have to shine a light up your ass to see it?" And they lost me. It just doesn't sound like Laura to me.

Deadlock

We're finally able to see the food riot that Ron discussed in the podcast. The one that would have helped set up why Adama allowed Baltar's people to become armed. At the time I was pissed because the episode, as aired, in many ways, made little sense. But having seen the footage, now I'm actually glad it was cut. Lamest. Food. Riot. EVER. A little pushing and shoving and the marines with machine guns run off. And two seconds later the Sons of Ares rush over, waving their guns (badly), and take all the food. I may have laughed if this had been shown in the episode.

I do lament the loss of a scene between Lee, Adama, and Laura. The way the scene is filmed or cut) the audience comes in in the middle of the discussion. Tempers are flaring, mostly Lee's as he lays into his father. ::hearts:: Lee wants to allow Centurions on board to help with the ship's security problems. (Yes, Lee Adama is arguing for a Cylon presence on the ship. Who'd have thunk it?) Adama wants to remove marines from other duties to protect Dogsville and the food distribution; Lee snarkly asks what duties they should pull them from, guarding the nukes perhaps? Hee. The entire time, Laura is sitting there, not saying a word. She's totally deferring to Lee on the matter and it's AWESOME.

Lee, Laura, and Adama were originally present during the Final Five reunion. Again, more weirdness as the three stand there watching and Lee doing most of the talking trying to explain they feel there should be government presence monitoring the reunion. None of the three actors seem to have a good handle on the scene, likely because they are being intrusive and it feels a bit odd, and Ellen is subjected to weird dialogue as she says to Lee is response to his remarks about monitoring, "In case we all join hands and shoot magic fireworks out of our asses?"

(Note to beccatoria, the Tigh/Caprica corridor back rub scene was creepy as hell. It was also a moment that made me think ever putting the two together was a huge mistake. Like the Cylon version of Lee/Dee. ;p)

Someone to Watch Over Me

Apparently the best sex Helo has ever had is with Boomer. ::facepalm:: OK, he doesn't use those exact words, but the "That was incredible!" had to be like acid on top of the salt in the wound for Athena.


There's also an edited flashback scene between Lee and Kara in 'Daybreak' that I want to talk about, but I'm saving that for some Lee meta I'm working on. :)

Links!

For another spin on Battlestar, How Neanderthals Met a Grisly Fate: Devoured by Humans. I couldn't resist!

NBC Universal has sealed a new licensing deal with Hallmark Cards that includes the use of the company's film and TV content. If you are thinking you'll be receiving Lee Adama birthday cards from me in the future, you're right.

Have you heard about Bing? No, not Crosby, Microsoft's latest attempt to take on Google. I'm not a fan of the main page. Why do they think I want to see pictures taken in Europe? And I find the main/news search results not as good as Google. However, I will give it the edge in image searches. They put all results on one page that you can scroll rather through and zoom in.

BBC America in HD! Comcast doesn't have it listed as coming up on the new channel lineup they just mailed out. Bastards.

Hulu is set for September launch in the UK. ITV will be a content partner. I'm hoping that agreement will eventually extend to the U.S. and we'll get Law & Order: UK.

Via johnaugust.com, Writer's Guild Event with 'Trek' writers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman. Some interesting background on what did end up in Star Trek and why Nero's story ended up on the editing room floor.

Now back to my Twitter conversation/mocking of the Tony Award nominees wwith writteninstars and dragonfly0303.
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Ah the wierd ass dialog ZOMG inappropriate flirting flashback?

You forgot my favorite of Kara asking Zak about Lee. You should watch that one. It's actually really adorable.
I watched all the clips, but only felt like discussing a few.

I have to say, the flashbacks involving Lee, Kara, and Zak are confusing in that Kara obviously adores Zak, yet she's flirting with Lee, and then there is the WTF moment on the table. I'm not sure what the hell Ron was trying to say about her and her relationships with the Adama boys.
the deleted scenes made me all teary eyed. i miss this show SO DAMN MUCH! so thank you for sharing the links. ;)

i think my favourite off the scenes was the extended exchange between laura and lee when she tells him he's always been the one. that scene (both aired and extended) is probably one of my favourites out of the whole show. there's so much going on in it, both on the surface and underneath it all, and it echoes so wonderfully that first talk they had in the mini, when she tells him she's 43rd in line, and then, again, her confession to him in bastille day about her illness. i don't know... it just gets to me something awful.
The scene in 'No Exit' is definitely in my Top Five Lee/Laura moments. ;) I'm not angry they cut the few additional lines of dialogue. I can even see why they did. Not only did we know Laura was nearing the end of her life, she knew it, and it makes sense that she'd have fears facing that, especially given her perceived failure in settling them on earth. I can also understand if they didn't want to show quite that much vulnerability and weakness from Laura. But I also like seeing she shared that moment with Lee, not Adama. And I'm OK with knowing their conversation went on (I assumed it had) without having it in the aired version.
Yeah, I liked seeing a lot of these scenes but generally agree about them not being in the episodes. Many were nice but superfluous (for instance, the scene between Tory and Chief from No Exit I think is lovely if only because we so rarely get to see anything about Tory, but I do understand why it was cut; it doesn't really add anything), or they were...I get what they were trying to do but they missed the mark.

I actually assumed that the Six in the middle of Baltar's speech WASN'T Caprica at first because that would be too freaking weird for it to not be made clear and the whole thing came off as odd ANYWAY, and I think, while still weird, the whole thing plays much better if it's a random Six. But thinking about it I don't think it can be because at this point, Caprica's the only Six allowed to wander around Galactica, I believe, as their alliance isn't official yet.

And then, the concept of Caprica showing up, I'm not against. Since, like, it would be the only thing we saw of her in AGES that was about her feelings and possible response to Earth and it's interesting that she seeks out the closest thing to a Cylon religious service. But...but...the execution. sigh.

(Aside: while I agree with you that the god stuff was DEFINITELY foreshadowed, re: the finale - I still maintain that in a similar fashion, the execution was severely lacking and made a previously interesting and complicated religious aspect into a rather boring and easy one. But yes, I do find the idea that the fact the end had Mystical Divine Stuff going on at all was "out of character," for the show...weird.)

I also think that the extended cut of ADFMS - while I'm not a huge fan of that episode in general - might be the first time BSG has made an extended cut of anything where I've liked it more than the broadcast version. Largely due to the HeadSix stuff because most of the other stuff was minor, like most of the extended scenes here. Pegasus, Razor and Unfinished Business, I prefer the aired cut of all of them.

The Laura/Baltar scene during the mutiny is HARD for me! I've basically come down on the side of loving it because dammit, LAURA. YELLING AT GAIUS. But yes, that line threw me a little at the time and I wish she's yelled something more...Laura-y. So it's easier for me to love it as a floating extraneous deleted scene, but I take your point.

I disagree, though, about the scene with Laura, Lee and Adama intruding on the Cylon meeting. While I'm not a huge fan of Ellen's awkward line about shooting fireworks out of her ass - it was a little crude for me, though I know that Ellen is crude - I thought Lee was just so perfectly strained and awkward there. I mean basically they were right - as soon as they left, the Cylons (in another nonsensical storyline, but there we go, I know neither of us is a fan of Deadlock) started trying to back out of the alliance. Plus...there's genuine stuff there about how they're allies, but as Lee said, if this is what it's come too... I dunno. I thought Jamie Bamber had a good handle on that scene and it was intended to be intrusive and awkard. But I'm not really upset it was cut either since it's nice but not necessary to the story, UNLIKE, SAY, THE CENTURIONS THING.

(Note to beccatoria, the Tigh/Caprica corridor back rub scene was creepy as hell. It was also a moment that made me think ever putting the two together was a huge mistake. Like the Cylon version of Lee/Dee. ;p)

UGH I KNOW. And again, in CONCEPT, I want to like it because, well, they're actually showing them, you know, as people or something. So since part of my issue is that they never spent any time with that relationship, and because I think the idea was to show them in some kind of vaguely normal one albeit strained, then sure. Go for it.

BUT DON'T MAKE IT SO GODSDAMNED CREEPY I HAVE TO WATCH THROUGH MY OWN FINGERS!

The Cylon version of Lee/Dee. HEE! Except, Lee/Dee were creepy until the very last episode they were ever in, while Tigh/Caprica was nifty in its FIRST episode and then gradually turned into the creepiest thing ever. *cries*
I actually can see Caprica seeking out Baltar's group at that particular moment. She's really a woman with NO PLACE TO GO. She had been locked up in the brig for months and seemingly only released once a truce was agreed upon and they all thought they'd be living together on earth. When that turned out to be a bust, she could have returned to the baseship, but she was carrying Tigh's child and, really, she's seemed as uncomfortable among her own people as she has among the humans for some time. She's also feeling lost and alone and though she may still harbor some anger towards Baltar, she might find some comfort in his words, God's words, and just being among people feeling as lost and alone as she is feeling. So, yeah, we can probably assume it's Caprica.

I wonder if Lee, Laura, and Adama were perhaps cut out of the scene of the Cylon reunion because they would have looked really, really dumb giving up and walking out and then have the Cylons discuss splitting.