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White Collar 2.0 Thoughts (and a Chuck rant)

Upon my third viewing of 'Out of the Box' I had some additional observations and questions.


I mentioned in my previous post I appreciated that, in Fowler going after Elizabeth, Peter was able to empathize a bit with Neal and his unwavering fight to be reunited with Kate. Peter tells Neal, "We all have our weaknesses. Kate's yours." And it isn't long before we see that Elizabeth is Peter's weakness and, like Neal, he'll do stupid things for the woman he loves, like punching Fowler.

I totally missed that Neal didn't specify where Fowler should meet him at midnight when he called his office because he knew Fowler could track him via the ankle monitor and see where they were to meet. Which brings me to...

Stupid Neal Moment Not Involving Kate #1: If Neal knows Peter frequently tracks his moves via the ankle monitoring data, then how could he have been at all surprised to hear that Peter was at the parking garage when he met with Fowler? I really wish there had been a throw away comment along the lines of, "I just knew you'd be there."

Now that Kate has (supposedly) been blown up, I wonder if Peter will change his tune in regards to, "You're fooling yourself if you think Kate is on your side."

The music during the sculpting scene was awesome. I was a little too distracted during first viewing to truly appreciate it. ;)

The music box is kind of ugly. Or maybe I just feel it is because I hate gold and amber.

Stupid Neal Moment Not Involving Kate #2: Letting Alex pick his pocket. He obviously was thinking "WTF?" when she went to hug him so it didn't occur to him she was trying to take something off of him?

And speaking of Alex, if she has a real interest in being with Neal (and I think she does) then keeping the music box from him would have been a huge mistake. He wouldn't have been able to forgive her for, to his mind, taking away his one chance of being with Kate.

I can't believe this didn't hit me sooner. Neal, who was leaving his old life behind, starting over with a new identity and didn't think he was ever going to see Peter again, was taking his FBI consultant ID with him. That means it and what it stood for (being one of the 'good guys') really meant something to him.

Not that I know anything about explosives (Really!), but I was trying to work out the timing of the explosion. We see Kate look out the window, Neal starts walking towards the plane, he stops, turns around and says, "Peter", just before BOOM. I still think there was enough time for her to exit and run before the bomb blew.


I was really enjoying last night's Chuck up until the last ten minutes. Right before Alex/Casey's call with his fiance was cut off she said she had something to tell him. As they cut back to present day I was thinking, "Oh, PLEASE, don't let us find out he has a child he never knew about!" Then Alex ran in. ::head desk:: I just cannot believe they went there. Right after adding babies, the plot development I hate most is introducing a child the character never knew about. It's just SO soapish and, imho, lazy character development. Casey may have not opted to try to reconnect with his past, but we know at some point he has too or else he'll be an asshole father. And he can't use the argument that by staying away he's protecting her because he's no longer working for the government! Another lame ass plot twist that we know will only last a few weeks, if that. Just when it was nice to see the team working together again Shaw-free.

As far as the plot, the Big Important Pill turned out to be a dude. Either the effects are super short term or can be underminded by the power of love. Blech. And Awesome did an awesome job flip-flopping on Doctors Without Borders. Why even bother to make it an issue? Sigh.

I'm probably sounding like I hate the show, I don't. I enjoy it enough, but I'm just far from being in awe of it as the critics seem to be. And there is that even with NBC's abysmal scheduling situation the show may not be picked up for a fourth season. Sadly, I can't really say I care. :/


And thank you shaney for the squirrels! And you didn't even know I like squirrels! :)

I'm pretty sure I abused "And" in this post. Sorry! I'll try better next time.
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Re: Big Important Pill...

Hubby and I kinda got the impression that Casey gave Chuck a placebo to "prove" that Chuck didn't need a pill to get the Intersect to work (ie Chuck can still be Chuck AND a great spy). They didn't go there in the episode, but I guess it's technically still open to go there? Maybe?
I wish you were right because that would make a whole lot more sense! But then why not have Casey tell Chuck when they are in his apartment? Maybe next week? Or maybe we can just fanwank it. ;)
I thought the music box was quite ugly too. :P It's just too cumbersome-looking for me.

I also think Kate has enough time to escape the plane, with the two men so engrossed in their goodbyes.

And you're welcome about the squirrels :)

Hee. Yeah, my tastes tend to run simpler as well. I actually have a music box! But it's small, silver and glass.

I also think Kate has enough time to escape the plane, with the two men so engrossed in their goodbyes.

They only had eyes for each other at that moment. Kate could have been jumping up and down on top of the plane waving her arms and I doubt they would have noticed. ;)
Your music box sounds pretty :) I think I used to have a kiddish one when I was younger but I don't know if it's still around in my house.

Haha!! Now I have this image of her jumping and waving at Neal while Neal and Peter get lost in each other's gaze while some soaring romantic tune plays loudly :p
If Neal knows Peter frequently tracks his moves via the ankle monitoring data, then how could he have been at all surprised to hear that Peter was at the parking garage when he met with Fowler?

I suspect he thought Peter had eased off on that over the last few weeks. They seem much closer since 1.10, and maybe Neal wants to believe that his trust for Peter is reciprocated. Or maybe the most he expected was a question about what he was doing at the parking garage (a la "What's so interesting about Grand Central Station?").

Now that Kate has (supposedly) been blown up, I wonder if Peter will change his tune in regards to, "You're fooling yourself if you think Kate is on your side."

There were so many hints that Kate was playing him in this ep that I don't see how they could have killed her. If they were trying to fridge her, wouldn't they have made her a saint? Otoh, what would've happened if Neal had got on the plane? She couldn't have run then. Gah! Too confusing. Maybe she was playing Neal for the music box, but the explosion was engineered by someone higher up.

I can't believe this didn't hit me sooner. Neal, who was leaving his old life behind, starting over with a new identity and didn't think he was ever going to see Peter again, was taking his FBI consultant ID with him.

OMG, true! *flails*
Or maybe the most he expected was a question about what he was doing at the parking garage

That could be. At least that explanation allows me to hand wave the moment. :)

I'm trying not to think too much about Kate and what the heck they are trying to say/do with the character. The only thing I'm convinced of is we have not seen or heard the last of Kate. Is she good and just a pawn? Is she bad and helping play Neal? And does it ultimately matter if Neal decides he wants to keep the life he has now? I believe we'll get answers sooner rather than later and, in the meantime, I'll keep throwing out theories until I can claim to be right about at least one of them. ;)

OMG, true! *flails*

::Flails With You!!!::
I'm probably sounding like I hate the show, I don't. I enjoy it enough, but I'm just far from being in awe of it as the critics seem to be. And there is that even with NBC's abysmal scheduling situation the show may not be picked up for a fourth season. Sadly, I can't really say I care.

I find myself so uninterested in Chuck at this point that I read your post without seeing the episode. I don't find it to be bad at this point--it's still well-acted and has its charm--but it's so freaking PREDICTABLE. Week after week, the writers unfailingly take the most cliched, emotionally wrought fork in the road. And since they've already pressed the reset button on all of the relationships about 12 times, it's hard to care.
I didn't even mention another frustration. Chuck is just about to share his feelings with Sarah and she cuts him off. But why mention it when it happens every other week? If they really want to have a game changer, have them try being a couple.