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Well, let the kerefuffles begin!

Two bits of Angel info from the TV Guide website:

HIGH STAKES: Angel fans may be deeply divided as to whether or not a certain Slayer should play a part in the show's series finale in May, but exec producer Joss Whedon isn't: He wants Sarah Michelle Gellar back. "We'll put out some feelers [again] to see if there's some interest there," he told TV Guide Online in an interview last night. "We'd certainly love to have her." But Gellar nixed an earlier offer to guest-star on Angel this season and Whedon says he isn't "banking" on her changing her mind. Still, we have to ask: If the Chosen One were to reappear in the Buffyverse, which of her undead loves would she be returning for — Spike or Angel? "You think I'm going to tell you that? I'm not going to tell you that," Whedon says. "If she were to come back it would be to answer that question."

OK, first response: EEEEEEE!!!!!! Second: But what if it's to choose Angel? NOOOOO!!!!

MORE HIGH STAKES: In other Angel news, rumors that the axed WB drama could follow in Buffy the Vampire Slayer's footsteps and put down stakes at rival network UPN are just that — rumors. "We've talked about the possibility," Whedon says, "but it's a longshot." A UPN spokeswoman had no comment, but an Angel insider confirms that execs at 20th Century Fox (Angel's producer) are putting together a proposal for UPN.

UPN? Well, they are thinking of axing Enterprise. It would free up some money.
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OK, first response: EEEEEEE!!!!!! Second: But what if it's to choose Angel? NOOOOO!!!!
Amen!! I'd rather not see her at all than have her come back and kill the possibility of Spuffy in post-show fanfic.
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Maybe I'm deluding myself, but I've always believed Angel would end up alone. And considering Angel has demonstrated repeatedly how far apart Angel and Buffy have grown, I can't fathom how Joss could sell anyone on a reunion between the two?

Eh, she probably won't guest star anyway. :p
Noooooooo!!!!
"Joss Whedon isn't: He wants Sarah Michelle Gellar back."

Disclaimer: I love Buffy. I have no beef with SMG. I know that this is a TV show and that there are many more important things in real life.

Now then -

::sobs and curls into fetal position::

I DON'T WANT BUFFY SHOWING UP TO CHOOSE!

You don't want her showing up to choose either, because then you'll have to listen to me whine about it for the next 9 weeks, not counting hiatuseses. I feel my stomach clenching NOW and it's only a rumor. I can't take the stress.
So, You're Against the Idea? ;)
Deep cleansing breathes Mir. Let's not panic. I still think it's iffy at best that she'll show. And if Joss really does want to answer the question (and he's not just yanking our chains...again), does he even need her there? After all, you and I both came up with plausible Spuffy reconciliation scenerios without Buffy ever appearing on screen.

And what if some other outlet picks up the show? Would he still want to resolve the triangle? There is still so much up in the air. Honestly though, I don't know how Joss could come up with a believable reason as to why Angel and Buffy would suddenly jump into each others arms after all this time.
Y'know what? I hope she says no. Cos I really don't want to know.
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I think you may get your wish. If she comes back, Joss goes insane, and has Buffy and Angel walk off into the sunset together, I shall treat it as I did the last minute of the Farscape finale....never...happened. ;)
SMG
I don't think that Buffy should come back to make a "special appearance" on Angel. I think that Buffy should continue on with "her story" wherever she may be and Angel continue on with his story.

I'm not a lover or hater of either SMG or Buffy, but the series is about "Angel", not "How Buffy may or may not choose Angel or Spike at the very end of the show."
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I'm not a lover or hater of either SMG or Buffy, but the series is about "Angel", not "How Buffy may or may not choose Angel or Spike at the very end of the show."

Precisely. It would be unfair to Angel and the rest of the characters if all of a sudden the B/A/S relationship became the focus. There are so many more important issues (Conner, the mindwipe, the Shanshu, Lindsey!!! ;) to deal with.
Due to the recent TVGuide interview in which Joss said that the reason Cordelia/Angel didn't work out was that the fans were still fixated on Buffy/Angel, I'm afraid that if SMG were to show, it would be for a Bangel ending. So I hope that Sarah is too busy filming that horror movie she's making in Japan too even consider doing an episode of Angel. I want the last episode of Angel to have the same anything-is-possible kind of ending that Chosen had.
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So I hope that Sarah is too busy filming that horror movie she's making in Japan too even consider doing an episode of Angel.

She doesn't even need to be working on another project. I know that many fans feel that SMG "owes" Joss her career because of BtVS and she probably does, but it doesn't mean that whenever he needs to use the "Buffy card" SMG should come running.

Buffy ended last year. SMG is trying to establish a career in other projects. I don't see the problem in that choice.
One thing to remember - he said she would come back to answer the question, not that she would choose one or the other - it could be neither! :) Which would make sense in my opinion - especially if Joss ever wants to make a movie or if there is a possibility of moving it to another network.

To be honest, how could AtS be more successful at another network that has fewer outlets than the WB, and is having even more money troubles, even if they let go of Enterprise?

I just wish everyone would let SMG alone - for crying out loud, people, it's a free country, and if she wants to let the last scene we see of Buffy be that beautifully enigmatic smile at the end of Chosen, then she should have that right. I agree with those who say Connor is the most important person in Angel's life right now, and any story resolution should concern him, not his ex.

I also agree that if Buffy is connected to anyone's story now, it's Spike. Of course, Joss created this situation by bringing Spike back. He can't blame the availability or non-availability of other actors for his storytelling choices. You play the hand you're dealt, buddy, and stop complaining.
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One thing to remember - he said she would come back to answer the question, not that she would choose one or the other - it could be neither! :)

Hee! I was waiting for someone to bring that up. ;) It would be just like Joss to do. He left us guessing at the end of Buffy, why not Angel as well?

You play the hand you're dealt, buddy, and stop complaining.

LOL! I love this new, feisty Lynn. :D
I'm joining the crowd who hopes she says 'no'. I don't think Buffy has a whole lot of relevance to what has been happening on AtS, and I'd really rather they focus on the themes that have been in issue this year, rather than dragging SMG back for a triangle episode. Beyond that, though, I don't for a second think she'd choose Spike. I don't think SMG would come back for Spuffy - she made a number of comments last year which made it clear she'd consider a return for Bangel, but that was it. That's not to criticise SMG at all, we all have our preferences. But I've no interest in seeing hers, and I'm not sure I even necessarily want to see mine. I'd rather all shipper groups be left with hope than any one get everything (or nothing).
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What would be hilarious to see is for Joss, in a fond farewell to The WB, set the censors and audiance into into overdrive and have Buffy choose both! Let the fanfic writers pick it up from there. ;p
Oh, thanks for posting this. It's good to now Fox has not given up on Angel yet. In fact, the show's future depends on them, not on Joss Whedon and ME--they own all the rights, they decide on the price of future seasons. Things are looking up, aren't they? ::looks hopeful::
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I even wondered about the possibility of direct to DVD releases. We know there is a market for the shows on DVD. ;)
I don't think there would be no point to bring back Buffy unless they had her featured in more than one episode. If she is only going to be in the finale, I say it's rather pointless and it would be rather pointless to have her back to just choose between Spike and Angel.
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That was my problem with Angel's appearance in 'Chosen'. What was the point other than to just have him back? The kiss was awkward and am sure Spike could have listened to the cookie dough speech just as well as Angel. :)
Hmm, nice to think of Angel appearing again on another network.

And thinking about it.....nah SMG appearing wouldnt be that great. Especially if its choosing between Spike and Angel.
Hi! I've friended you I while ago because I love your thoughts on things buffy-related, and was planning to comment more often that never, yet most of the time I wasn't sure what to add...

Considering the possibilities for SMG appearance in Angel Finale: I love Buffy, and I respect SMG and her choices, I don't think she owes her appearance, more importantly I don't think her appearance would make sense. I am a Spuffy person, but I would loathe “Buffy the Valuable Prize” scenario as well as “Buffy the Bachelorette”- no matter who wins.

Besides, I caught a glimpse from one Joss Weadon interview before the season began, and on the question, "if we see Buffy on AtS", he answered that since he had now two her ex-boyfriends on the same show, it would be wonderful to bring her there too and made everything worse. It is the general sense as I remember it, not the exact words. I do trust in his ability to make everything worse for the characters, and it serves the show just right, but at series finale? I want something more or less optimistic.

My final point - Buffy's off-screen presence this season works very good, in my opinion. "Damage" is the example. We don't need to have her on screen for any kind of story. And it would allow more screen time for the regular characters.
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Hi! I've friended you I while ago because I love your thoughts on things buffy-related

::Blushes:: Thank you, I appreciate the compliment. :)

I recall the interview with Joss you referenced. I'm thinking that may have been a TV Guide interview too. It goes to show that Joss has a tendancy to contradict himself, or, maybe, he just enjoys getting the fans riled up. And had Sarah agreed to appear earlier in the season, he may have proceeded to make things worse, but I just don't see him wishing to do that in the finale.

I think many of us agree Buffy's presence has worked well off screen and perhaps it's best to leave it there. As much as I love Spike, his inclusion this season has giving other characters short shrift. I'd hate to see more time taken away from them to make room for Buffy.

COming over to YOUR LJ this time :)

I just read someone's opinion on all this craziness and i thought it was interesting.

So, the B/Aers are all thrilled that SMG was once again pushed into an article about the ending of Angel and believe that this means B/A 4 evah!!!!!

And the B/Sers are pissed because SMG was once again judged and juried in an article about her return that STILL does not contain ONE SINGLE WORD from the actress herself, because they believe this could mean Spike is gonna get the shaft and it will be B/A 4 evah!!!!!!!!!!!


Now, i ask you, when has Joss EVER done what we expected?

Heh. Kinda gives you an ironic sliver of hope, you know?

My basic breakdown? It would be a huge regression for both Angel and Buffy if they ended in each otehr's arms, they don't even know one another anymore, let alone have the same dreams of hapily ever after. People move on from their first love. No, really, Duckies, they do! And yeah, that first love will always have it's place, but soulmate schmoulmate, the two haven't had a real everyday conversation in... Well, really, have Buffy and Angel EVER had a conversation that didn't have something to do with a "Warning: Death Commeth" disclaimer?

As far as Spuffy goes, as much as i would like it to happen, I'm doubtful on ME's front. They don't have a firm enough grasp on what the fans really want and believe most want that star-crossed lovers storyline(though, no one seems to recall that those star-crossed lovers ended up poisoned and stabbed before they were of legal age, but anyway...). SO, honestly, as i've said before, i would love it if it ended with them all still baking. I hated how they squished in Angel into the finale of BtVS, it was the most out-of=place moment in the entire ep and left it all feeling unbalanced and was so obviously a worm to dangle in front forthe Bangels. This is the end of the Buffyverse, no one needs to feel unbalanced now or have any misdirected worms dangled. Buffy is not needed to end Angel. She may have led him to the "right" path, but it's been some time since his path has had anything to do with Buffy at all. If Buffy has no purpose in coming back but to resolve the B/S/A triangle, then i see no reason for her to come back, nor do i see SMG returning for that poor a storyline.

::steps off the soapbox::

And i'll stop...now *sheepish grin*
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Heh. Kinda gives you an ironic sliver of hope, you know?

Hee. I was thinking the same thing. Everyone is expecting a B/A resolution so Joss might just give us that B/S ending. ;)

As much as Joss' decisions can piss me off, it's when Joss supposedly does give the audiance what they want is when he creatively fails. In 'Chosen', it wasn't the B/A kiss that technically bothered me, it was the lack of reasoning behind it. They hadn't seen or spoken to each other in two years, they are in the middle of an apocalypse, and now they take a break to talk about their feelings and the future?

So, I gotta say, if it means getting another brief, irrelevent scene, I don't want her around either. They have far too many other important issues to attend to. Like I've said before, just have Spike (or both even) go off to Europe to face her. We can draw our own conclusions from there.

My basic breakdown? It would be a huge regression for both Angel and Buffy if they ended in each otehr's arms, they don't even know one another anymore, let alone have the same dreams of hapily ever after. People move on from their first love...first love will always have it's place, but soulmate schmoulmate, the two haven't had a real everyday conversation in... Well, really, have Buffy and Angel EVER had a conversation that didn't have something to do with a "Warning: Death Commeth" disclaimer?

See, even putting my Spuffy longings aside and looking at it without bias, a B/A reunion just makes no sense for every reason you just listed. Or are we supposed to forget Andrew stated that Buffy doesn't trust Angel? I seem to recall trust being pretty darn important to her in the seven seasons of BtVS. Or, better yet, will we be told Andrew was lying and that Buffy has now popped out of the oven and even though she doesn't really know Angel anymore is desperate to have him back? The more I think about this, the more I think Joss is just blowing a lot of hot air.

Thanks for sharing. :)
i'm with everyone else, basically, saying that a reunion would cause more problems than solve them, which would be good for any other triangle than this one ;)

i also wanted to add something: why is spike so misused on this show? I find it amazing that on BTVS's last season he was dissected and you found out about more about his background than willow or xander, basically. yet here on ATS, he is being used as poorly timed comic relief. i guess that happens sometimes, but to say that angel is more deserving of redemption is absurd.

if you wrote down (minus biases) a pro-con list of who would be better for the shanshu or buffy.. spike would outweigh angel.. i love angel, but when you look at it, everything that angel has struggled with over two hundred years, and two years of a messed up relationship with a minor.. spike accomplished within his arc?

got the soul, was a good guy fighting the big bad, had buffy loving him, had buffy trusting him, had respect, went out in a flame of glory with happiness. half of those things angel still remains without.

adding SMG would only confuse people.. she would belong with spike, but joss can be that way.. giving people what they want when it shouldn't be happening. she could conclude things by ending up with spike who, but there is a good chance that won't happen. i think that if she stays offscreen, you can focus more on the show, well really just angel this season, if she comes it could probably boost spike's role, but it would probably just complicate things for the mere extension of a plotline.

i love you SMG but coming back would only mess stuff up, this way at least we can summize that the right person will eventually get shanshu and get buffy ;)
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i also wanted to add something: why is spike so misused on this show? I find it amazing that on BTVS's last season he was dissected and you found out about more about his background than willow or xander, basically. yet here on ATS, he is being used as poorly timed comic relief. i guess that happens sometimes, but to say that angel is more deserving of redemption is absurd.

I think Spike is being misused because he doesn't belong there. Joss never wanted to make Spike a regular but the choice was to do so or have the show cancelled. Can't say I fault him for his decision.

Now, I think episodes such as 'Damage' and 'Destiny' showed that Spike could be an important part of the plot and contribute to not only his character growth but Angel's as well. Which proves he would have made a terrific reoccuring character. Far too many episodes have shown that the writers have been forced to find ways to shoe horn him into the scripts. It's been a diservice not only to Spike, but to the other characters who have seen their screen time shrink.