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Spiderman - Best Damn Comic Book Movie EVA!!!

Wow, just...wow. I was blown away. I had heard the praise by critics, by fans, by friends, but there was a little voice in my head that said not to get too excited. I've been set up for disappointment far too many times. But, Spiderman 2 was amazing. It wasn't just an excellent comic book movie or summer blockbuster, it has to be one of the best films of the year.

The thing is it didn't feel at all like a film about a comic book hero. Actually, I don't think it was. It was about Peter Parker - his journey, maturity, and sacrifice. He's also a guy that just happens to wear brightly colored spandex. ;)

While the first Spiderman was a very good movie, it is outclassed on every level by it's sequel. It's easy to say the effects were better (they didn't look like effects this time around), but what really impressed me were the words and ideas being expressed. When, if ever, could you say that about a summer blockbuster? There was so much psychology at play it left the wheels turning in my brain long after I left the theatre. And, for a change, any effects or action sequences were in service to the story rather than the story being in service to them.


I've skipped most people's observations in order to avoid spoilers, so I have yet to see what everyones favorite moment or moments were. Without question mine had to be the train sequence.

At first, I thought this was just some cool idea for a set piece they had thought up. I was OK with that since there was already so much content in the film. But, at the end of the scene I realized that 'OMG there is a point to this too!'

To begin with, one of my super hero 'kinks' is when the hero is unmasked. We get to see him and his alter ego. It's always a cool moment.

Now, knowing a bit of Spiderman lore I knew Harry would find out the truth and possibly MJ, but a train full of people?! Yet, it had to be that way. How else would Peter have discovered, not only how important his scarifice is, how much he is appreciated, but that these people, as anonymous to him as he is to them, get it all. When the boy says 'Don't worry, we won't tell' and hands Peter back his mask you believe that he and every last person there will keep his secret. They have to - not just for his sake, but their own. The moment the truth is revealed to the world, no more Spiderman.

Couple all that with the stunning image of the passengers saving him, carefully passing his body back to safety and...damn, I was in tears.

Other cool moments:

The 'Rain Drops Keep Falling On My Head' montage - too funny.

Bruce Campbell - Nuff said. :)

MJ showing up at his doorstep - in her wedding dress - telling Peter she needs to make her own decisions and saving him for a change. Yes, I'm a big old sap and loved it.

Didn't think much about Harry until near the end of the film when his life *really* becomes a Greek tragedy. I liked that the big reveal wasn't dragged out and Peter simply didn't have time for the drama right now. And Harry's talk with his father/himself was chilling. Will Harry become the Green Goblin? I like the idea a lot, and it is canon, isn't it?

One teeny tiny thing that bugged me (no pun intended ;) was Peter's seeming ability to turn his powers on and off. Maybe this is canon, but it seemed a rather odd development for me. Any experts out there who could clarify this for me?

This is definitely a film to go back and see again...and again. If I'm lucky that will by Monday. :)
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Couple all that with the stunning image of the passengers saving him, carefully passing his body back to safety and...damn, I was in tears.

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only person who got all teary-eyed over that scene. :) That was my favorite moment in the movie as well.

Will Harry become the Green Goblin? I like the idea a lot, and it is canon, isn't it?

I don't know anything about the comic book canon, and I've been really curious about what happens to Harry in the comics. The end of the movie certainly seems to suggest that he'll become the Green Goblin.
According to Blondeheroine, Harry does become the next Green Goblin. YAY! In a very sad way of course. ;)

I thought I recalled from the animated series that Harry did become the Goblin. But, I didn't know if that was something the show's writers made up or if it was taken from the comic books.
Will Harry become the Green Goblin? I like the idea a lot, and it is canon, isn't it?

Yup. Harry is Green Goblin #2. And I really like the story arc in the comics, so if Sam is as good with #3 as he's been with the first two, you can bet you'll be blown away.

Also, Dr. Conners (the man without the arm who was Peter's professor) later becomes the Lizard. His story is also a greek tragedy. I think you'll like it if they include him as a villian.

What I love about the Spidey villains is that they become villains by falling into the same traps that we humans fall into (with the exception of Venom).

I almost cried during the scene with Aunt May and Peter. Where she spoke about people standing hours to meet the hero who told them to hang on for just one second more, for some reason, I really related to that seeing as I've lately had so many disappointments. Shit, I'm getting choked up thinking about it now!

It was, without a doubt, phenomenal. I'm going to post my review tonight and I can't wait to see it again.

And I LOVED the Raindrops montage. And the Hal Sparks elevator scene and the little Asian woman with the fiddle. And J.K. Simmons (again, I must say, Simmons is the best casting choice for a comic book film ever)!

I heart Sam Raimi. I distinctly remember thinking about offering my first born to him at some point during the showing.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. :)

Also, Dr. Conners (the man without the arm who was Peter's professor) later becomes the Lizard. His story is also a greek tragedy. I think you'll like it if they include him as a villian.

OH! I know this! I've never read the comic books, but I've watched the various animated series and I knw this stroyline. Though, I didn't recall the doctor's name being Conners. Do you think Raimi would be ambitious enough to give us the Lizard and Green Goblin in the next film?

And I LOVED the Raindrops montage. And the Hal Sparks elevator scene and the little Asian woman with the fiddle. And J.K. Simmons (again, I must say, Simmons is the best casting choice for a comic book film ever)!

Not that it's important, but I kept wondering if that was suppose to be Hal Sparks playing himself or a character (I didn't look closely at the credits). Then again, how many people know who Hal Sparks is??? ;p
Well crap!
I had an entire response to this typed out and it disappeared. Grr.

Do you think Raimi would be ambitious enough to give us the Lizard and Green Goblin in the next film?

That worries me because that's what killed the Batman franchise (along with Val Kilmer and Joel Schumacher and Arnold...oh you get it). With too many villains there tends to be an overabundance of scenery chewing.

However, I remember The Lizard being talked about from the day the first film debuted, so I wouldn't be surprised. Of course, they've also discussed Venom, but I don't see it happening as they'd have to get into the alien suits and secret wars and Ben Reilly (who became Spider-Man for a bit) - none the less, to see those two go at it would be killer. And Eddie Brock (who becomes Venom) was in the first film for a bit, so who knows?

As for Hal, he's actually credited as "elevator passenger", but then Stan Lee is credited as "man dodging debris". Apparently Sam has fun trying to kill Stan in his movies. :p

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That worries me because that's what killed the Batman franchise (along with Val Kilmer and Joel Schumacher and Arnold...oh you get it). With too many villains there tends to be an overabundance of scenery chewing.

Don't mention Schumacher's name to me. I can't wait to hear how he's butchered the film adaption of The Phantom of the Opera. :p

Yeah, I worry about villian overload too. Did The Lizard and Green Goblin work together at all in the comics? It might be cool to see them work together to bring down Spidey. If anyone could pull it off I have faith in Raimi to do so.

Hey, I have a question for you. Does the little girl Peter saves from the fire grow up to be someone important in the comics? It just seemed like she was helping pull him up in the film which seems rather odd for a toddler. ;)
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So, last night, I had this loooong entry typed up to your post in Hotmail and I clicked submit and it disappeared AGAIN. What in the squirrel... It made me so mad I went to bed and said I'd type it up tomorrow. Grrr.

Anyway, as far as GG and The Lizard, it's more than likely that they've teamed up once in the comics as there were actually four GGs. I can't remember a specific incident, but I do know that double villains is always a seller. :p Not to mention, I'm pretty sure it's Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, The Lizard and a number of other villains in the Spider-Man 3D ride at Universal. There are so many incarnations of Spidey - Amazing, Spectacular, Ultimate, the toons, the live action Nicholas Hammond stuff, Spider-Man and Friends, that he could take from each of them and make it work. There's also apparently some new Samurai type Spider-Man debuting. *rolls eyes* I'm sooo sick of the whole Samurai bit.

I found the little girl's strength a little odd, but the only Asian character I can recall in Spider-Man canon didn't have superhero strength and I think she would have been older. Other than that, the only one I can think of is Jubilee and she's X-Men, plus she was a rich orphan.

I believe last night I typed something along the lines of, if Raimi goes ahead with his plan to make six films that he originally wanted to do, they could drag the drama of GG #2 through two films because in the comics, certain incidents with Harry coincide with incidents in MJ and Peter's relationship, so I could see Harry slowly turning in #3 with a full on transformation in #4. It would be really cool to see Raimi somehow mess with the canon a bit (he has messed with both the MJ canon and bionics/mechanics canon a lot and still it worked out very well) and bring Venom in for the very final installment. That would be so seriously bad ass I might pee myself.
But the train scene was a little too mosh pit/Jesus for me.

What? You had a problem with mosh pit Jesus?! I thought you were liberal. ;)

When Peter stops part of the building from falling on MJ and he says "Hi." They cut away and then he's back and says, "This is heavy."

That may have been my second favorite moment in the movie. Though, I was half expecting him to say "I'm Spiderman". ;-)

And how sexy was Toby with the strategically placed tears in his costume? ::drools::

I want to see it again!! /whine And I need an icon!

Hopefully I'll be seeing it tomorrow. I think I successfully convinced my mother that she *has* to see it. She did enjoy the first one, so I don't think she'll be disappointed.

Yes! Icons! Must find icons!!!
When the boy says 'Don't worry, we won't tell' and hands Peter back his mask you believe that he and every last person there will keep his secret. They have to - not just for his sake, but their own. The moment the truth is revealed to the world, no more Spiderman.

Couple all that with the stunning image of the passengers saving him, carefully passing his body back to safety and...damn, I was in tears.


Yup, me too. And I'm choking up again now reading about it.

I didn't think he was turning his powers on and off at will. I thought he was losing them involuntarily, but in the end his desire to be the hero protector was so strong that he was able to will them back. I took it as less of an ability an more of a psychosomatic reaction to his psychological state. When he believed he didn't want his calling, his powers failed him, but when he decided to embrace his role, with or without superpowers, they returned and worked just fine. Of course, I don't know that much about canon, so I could be talking out of my ass. But that was my interpretation.

On a related note, in my review I mentioned the parallels between Peter and Buffy, but I didn't mention how it felt to me like his rescue of the little girl from the fire was Peter's Cruciamentum, the test that proved that it's more than just his powers that make him a hero.

I loved this movie. I can't wait to see it again.
Yup, me too. And I'm choking up again now reading about it.

/me shares Kleenex with Jean.

I thought he was losing them involuntarily, but in the end his desire to be the hero protector was so strong that he was able to will them back. I took it as less of an ability an more of a psychosomatic reaction to his psychological state.

That makes more sense to me. I was also wondering if adreneline might play a factor in his powers. The more angry he got, the stronger he seemed to be. How else to explain single handedly stopping a speeding train?! ;)

On a related note, in my review I mentioned the parallels between Peter and Buffy, but I didn't mention how it felt to me like his rescue of the little girl from the fire was Peter's Cruciamentum, the test that proved that it's more than just his powers that make him a hero.

I felt the same way about that scene. Like Buffy, it's not the super powers that make one a hero, but the person you are that does - the desire to want to do the right thing.

I also thought it was interesting that we find out that someone did die in the fire. The thing is, even if he was Spiderman at that point, could he have saved that person? Probably not. I think he needed to learn he won't always be able to save everyone, but you still help who you can. OK, now I'm drawing comparisons to Angel! :p

I am Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallly Looking forward to this Film.
Loved your review Asta, and waited to read it until I'd seen the movie. Just came back. I *LOVED* it!

I got very teary during the train scene when the passengers tenderly passed Spiderman through the car.
(side note: they came to Chicago last year to film our elevated trains and it was a kick to see building I recognized). I'm a sap, the little boy made me cry when he said they wouldn't tell.

The other parts that got me were already mentioned. One of the many things I loved was how Alfred Molina's character was very layered and not really a villian until he'd been overtaken by those arms. I liked how much he and his wife were in love, and how he refused to die a monster. He reached deep down for his true self and overcame the darkness in the end.

You're right, this wasn't really a comic book movie. It was about the trials people have and how they overcome, or at least face what looks like the insurmountable.

Also noticed the strategically placed tears in Toby mcGuires costume as well. Most excellent! ;) I used to read the comic in the newspaper and do know MJ and Peter get married. Don't remember much about the villians. all the info has been interesting!
(side note: they came to Chicago last year to film our elevated trains and it was a kick to see building I recognized)

My mother noticed today (yep, I saw it again :) that the movie was partially filmed in Chicago. She was sure the coffee shop Peter and MJ met at was not in NY.

One of the many things I loved was how Alfred Molina's character was very layered and not really a villian until he'd been overtaken by those arms. I liked how much he and his wife were in love, and how he refused to die a monster. He reached deep down for his true self and overcame the darkness in the end.

Hmmm, sounds a little bit like a certain blonde vamp we know and love. :) But, I do appreciate that Doc Oc was not your typical villian. He really was a good man whose obsession with his work coupled with the loss of his wife and a fried chip pushed him over the edge. He also showed just how difficult it must be for Peter to always do the right thing.

This is the best movie I've seen this year, hands down. You've mentioned all my fave scenes, and I teared up during the train sequence. The man who compared Peter to his own son, "just a kid", really made me tear up, and reminded me of Buffy in another way - "you're just a girl".

This movie has such depth - even though MJ made her choice to be with Peter, the look on her face at the end shows she didn't make that decision on a whim. She loves him, yet knows that not only will his duty come first, but that he will always be in danger. Kudos to her for choosing to live with it.
This movie has such depth - even though MJ made her choice to be with Peter, the look on her face at the end shows she didn't make that decision on a whim.

I'm glad they included that look at the end - it shows that she's well aware that it's going to be tough and not necessarily happily ever after.

I have to say, with all the Buffy comparisons, did she have to pull a Xander on her fiance? Would it have killed her to call it off before the day of the wedding? He seemed like a nice guy!
I'm glad they included that look too - it follows through on the complexity of the relationships that I hope continues in the next film.

I agree, the fiance was a really nice guy, he didn't deserve to be left at the altar. It's probably the only scene in the film that was a bit calculating and sensational.
did she have to pull a Xander on her fiance? Would it have killed her to call it off before the day of the wedding? He seemed like a nice guy!

According to canon, he's also a werewolf. I was hoping his eyes would glow red or green or something when she left him at the alter, but alas no such luck.

the stunning image of the passengers saving him, carefully passing his body back to safety and...damn, I was in tears.

That was an incredible scene. I loved it but I didn't cry. I was actually a bit distracted imagining myself as one of the passers and trying to decide just which part I would grab to help him along. I know. I'm bad.
According to canon, he's also a werewolf.

OK, good to know. All you Spidey freaks have to fill me in on these little details. How does his dad take all this when he finds out?

I was actually a bit distracted imagining myself as one of the passers and trying to decide just which part I would grab to help him along. I know. I'm bad.

Now we really know how his costume got all those revealing tears in it. ;)
*blinks at Jackie*

*wonders where she's been keeping her back issues of Spidey*

*slaps her for being a closeted geek instead of coming out like the rest of us!*

I'm so befuzzled that you know John Jameson became Man-Wolf. Picture me staring blankly at the screen!