Asta 2

From TV Highs to Lows

Well, American Idol was certainly a let down. No, I'm not going to complain about Ruben's win. With only 1,300 votes separating them out of 24 million votes cast, it was a virtual tie. What I'm disappointed in is that the competition itself meant nothing. They chose to announce over an hour before the results that both already had record contracts. Uh, isn't that what they were competing for?

Granted, I knew they'd both end up getting contracts, but it just made the results anticlimactic. I was half expecting to see Clay shrug on stage. I think he was the most calm 'loser' in the history of contests.



I've seen it mentioned numerous times that the FE wasn't destroyed, it simply disappeared, and this is yet another example of Joss' sloppiness. Sorry, I don't buy that argument. I too noticed the FE simply vanished before the fight was over. Could it be that Joss did that for a reason maybe? Seems to me it did a vanishing act back in 'Amends' as well.
Following Buffy's epiphany, she tells Spike they can win this thing. She never said they could defeat or destroy it. After all, how can anyone - even the Slayer - eradicate evil? The goal was to stop the army of Ubies, prevent the FE from taking corporeal form, and save mankind. In that they succeeded. As well as reinforcing the theme of girl power and freeing Buffy to be the woman she chooses to be, no longer bound by duty or destiny. That's a heck of a lot of ground to cover and Joss pulled it off.

Did they or didn't they? I'm going with did. Why? The dialog that proceeds the scene. Amanda wonders how anyone could sleep tonight and Xander mentions 'only the crazies'. Next we see two very sane and wide awake individuals approach each other. So, they did it (just wish we could have seen a bit of it).

She loves him, she loves him not...OK, initially I believed she loved him, but wasn't in love with him. After reading many different interpretations of the scene and re-watching it six or seven times, I think I may have been a bit too pessimistic. I, at least, want to believe the arguments made by some that he said "No, you don't" to get her out of there. He's grown to the point where his love is no longer obsessive or possesive. Yes, he was redeemed because he died to save the world, not to impress Buffy. Yet, he also knew that in sacrificing himself he was freeing Buffy to be the normal girl she always desired to be. If she had stayed with him, imperiling her own life, his sacrifice would not have brought him peace.

Besides, it seems to me that in the brief time they were holding each others hands, their souls connected. Each experienced completely what the other was feeling. In that moment, from the expression on their faces, you can see she did love him and Spike feeling it. When Buffy uttered "I love you", it was a true expression of her heart. But, it was as much for herself as for him. It was the first time in a very long time she felt safe expressing her feelings without the fear of rejection and it freed her.

For Spike, he may truly believe that she doesn't love him in the consuming, you're the only one for me, sort of way that he loves her. But he's OK with that now. Loving her is enough. Being trusted and entrusted is enough. And doing the right thing because you know, in your soul, it's the right thing? With apologies to Mastercard again...priceless.
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God, I love that brain of yours. ::licks asta's brain:: ;-)

The goal was to stop the army of Ubies, prevent the FE from taking corporeal form, and save mankind. In that they succeeded.

No shit. Of course, they weren't going to be able to eradicate *all* evil. That's just nuts. Besides, what would Angel and Co. have to do in L.A. if all evil was gone? I admire your brain almost as much as your cute little face.

When Buffy uttered "I love you", it was a true expression of her heart. But, it was as much for herself as for him. It was the first time in a very long time she felt safe expressing her feelings without the fear of rejection and it freed her.

ITA here. That was such a beautiful moment. I am still savoring it.

And now, I really am carting myself to bed. Bad Crystal!

"I've seen it mentioned numerous times that the FE wasn't destroyed, it simply disappeared, and this is yet another example of Joss' sloppiness."

Asta, you're kidding me, right?

For seven seasons it's been clear that they fight even though it'll never be "over".

BUFFY: "...I'm gonna be a fireman when the floods roll back...." (Restless)

"When the floods roll back." Meaning there's a point after which there is No More Flooding, ever, because this time we finally kicked the flood's ass? Not even.

But pretend it's a new world, one without floods (or shrimp)...and Buffy's going to be a fireman. Why? Because there's always a new threat, a new challenge. It's part of the deal.

Brave women and men suffer dangerous, excruciating conditions fighting wildfires every summer in California. Do we say "ooh, stupid, sloppy firefighters!" when the next fire breaks out?

As John Carpenter said in the various "Halloween" films...."You can't kill the boogeyman."

I mean, it's great when the police apprehend some horrific serial killer. We may be safer because of it. But we're never safe. It's never over. That's the deal.

Asta, honestly, I'm not sure why I belabor these strange notions.

Harrumph. And now, in conclusion - Buffy loves Spike. Spike knows it. I'm sure. I believe he was telling her that this was something he could choose to do, that it was not about "proving his love" for her. (When he told her that holding her all night, watching her sleep, was the best night of his life...did you feel upset or angry because Buffy didn't chirp back at him, "Oh yeah, it was the best night of my life, too!"? I sure didn't. It was all clear enough.)

BUFFY: He can be a good man, Giles. I feel it. But he's never gonna get there if we don't give him the chance. (First Date)

I also think he was giving her "permission" to leave him, much like Buffy gave Dawn "permission" to not blame herself because Buffy jumped from the Tower.

"This is the work I have to do." Buffy said it in "The Gift" not resignedly or bitterly, but to comfort Dawn, and to explain her acceptance of her destiny, and her willingness to be a gift to the world.

I honestly don't think this is one of my notorious attempts to spin something out of nothing. I did not feel a visceral sorrow when I heard him say that. They're both heroes. Over and over and over again, they were supposed to have destroyed each other. They came close, and then went beyond that, and saved the world.

Caille, I love your "strange notions". And I love how you can pull references from past episodes to prove my point. :)

After I went to bed last night, I thought about the the season premier and FEBuffy's closing line in that episode - "It's all about power". The FE was right, it was - shared power. Evil will always be around us, but Buffy has seriously limited it's power to dominate and destroy. The FE may regroup and attempt another war against humanity. Now, with thousands of empowered girls out there able to fight the battles, I don't see how the war shall be won.

And what of the power of sacrifice? The FE has always perceived Spike as a threat, but I don't believe it forsaw the formerly evil vampire with a soul to be it's undoing. Spike is the embodiment of good vs evil. Good won out, the scales didn't get tipped, hence victory was theirs.

I believe he was telling her that this was something he could choose to do, that it was not about "proving his love" for her.

Another excellent point. We've watched Spike act 'selflessly' out of selfish reasons - his desire to win Buffy's affection. We've all heard the arguments 'It's all about Buffy'. Yet, in the end, it had nothing to do with her. His soul told him it was the right thing to do. Spike no longer viewed humanity as "happy meals with legs", but instead viewed himself as part of humanity.
I have a great love for all your brains :)

Excellent thoughts. Spike's love for Buffy is no longer possessive, it's selfless in the truest sense. When Buffy gives him the amulet, she gives him his own mission, something that he can personally do to help save the world. And he chooses to do it.

Lynn, wishing her brain could work half as well :)